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Dungeness bird looks really like the juvenile Yellow-legged Gull I'm seing these days : strong bill, "short" primary projection, thick neck, .... to mention only structural characters
 
JANJ said:
Juveniles of both LBBG and YLG are quite variable in plumage pattern, and looking back on the Dungeness juvenile, bill looks a bit strong, like YLG. As mentioned by Th_SQ primary projection sometimes looks shorther in YLG comp. to LBBG, and at times it´s the other way around.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/wightvogels/gullsindex.html

http://www.gull-research.org/lbbg1cy/lbbg1cymay.html

JanJ
Just been reading this fascinating thread,and thought I would throw in this one I saw this morning for ID please,Jan, Lou,!!!
 

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hi bob.

aoutsch. juvenile caspian i guess. structure is very caspian-like. strange ground colour, very dark, cold brown. but who knows if this ain't a meager local YLG with a very long bill and long, thin legs?? closest breeding places of caspian would be across the black sea but they're on their way...i'd say cachinnans
 
Szabo Jozsef said:
if he's starving why don't you feed him?
the picture bellow is for you Lou! ;-)

That's one massive bill but I've never seen a Caspian with an iris that lightly coloured.


Dave J
 
lou salomon said:
hi bob.

aoutsch. juvenile caspian i guess. structure is very caspian-like. strange ground colour, very dark, cold brown. but who knows if this ain't a meager local YLG with a very long bill and long, thin legs?? closest breeding places of caspian would be across the black sea but they're on their way...i'd say cachinnans
Thanks for the info Lou,it looked different to the others around hence the photo.
 
Also think this looks like a Caspian, head and bill structure/shape surely fits. However, greater coverts and tertial pattern, meaning the pale edge reaching the greater coverts, which it usually don´t in Caspian, Yellow-legged and LBBG, but there are exceptions. If correct in image, the white seemingly rather unmarked head is not bad for YLG, in Turkey this time of year. Yhe pattern on the edges of the scapularst doesn´t look typical for Caspian, (have seen some ),but it doe´s sometimes for YLG:
I´d say nothing for sure for the time being, inspite of the Caspian like head.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~daarruud/michahellis1u.html

http://www.helsinki.fi/~rauste/tre2004/html/C_IMG_43177.html

http://www.helsinki.fi/~rauste/tre2004/html/C_IMG_41765.html

http://www.helsinki.fi/~rauste/tre2004/html/C_IMG_45130.html

http://www.bongariliitto.fi/kuvat/11_Rantalinnut/11h_Lokit/larcac_20040803_tamper_rauvi/IMG_5113.jpg

http://www.bongariliitto.fi/kuvat/11_Rantalinnut/11h_Lokit/larcac_20040809_lahti_kuhpe/998P_a.jpg

JanJ
 
the bird from your last link has some similarity: greater covert pattern, notched scapular edges and white edges of tertials approaching greater coverts.
 
London Birder said:
got any pics of the juv YLG's you're seeing at the mo from your locale?

No, I'll try to take some pictures. But I feel confident about the id (asking for photos is often a polite way to doubt/query id ;) ) : they are with adults and size alone rules out Lesser black-backed.

Turkish bird has tertial pattern rather unlike Caspian. Cold blackish background color is a bit worrying also.
 
Th_SQ said:
No, I'll try to take some pictures. But I feel confident about the id (asking for photos is often a polite way to doubt/query id ;) ) : they are with adults and size alone rules out Lesser black-backed.

Turkish bird has tertial pattern rather unlike Caspian. Cold blackish background color is a bit worrying also.

doubt ID? not particularly, query it? of course! the ID seems a little inconclusive at present on that bird, though clearly not in your mind, just thought a few pics of your local birds, wherever that may be, would help ... always nice to learn more and pics can be a great help, simple really :)
 
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Tim Allwood said:
Hey Paul

see article in latest Birding Asia - you thought it was hard before!!!

Tim

Thats exactly what i was referring to Tim!! They're still a lot more straightforward than gulls in my mind. Can i tick Claudia's Warbler yet then?
 
Hi Lou, Jan et al,
Thanks for the really useful info. I only have a copy of Harrisons seabirds, which I fear is now a little dated. Need to get up to speed and buy a copy of Olsen. However, if you printed all the gull photos and comments from the many threads on here over the previous year you would end up with one helluva book. Attached is another gull photo. Spot the odd one out. Why is it what you think it is. Head shape is just so different. More details later.
 

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