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Please ID (European) Honey Buzzard or Oriental Honey Buzzard (1 Viewer)

wittmann

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Time:09-24-2010
Location: china Xinjiang Altai region Buerjin county,near Irtysh river.
N47 41 E86 50
Gear:canon 50d + EF400/5.6

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Hi Wittman - all you birds seem very good for Oriental Honey Buzzard - but to tell the truth most birders in China - even in a NW province like Xinjiang - because of range, would tick off all Honey Buzzards as Oriental.
I don't know if Eurasian Honey Buzzard is included in the China list - but it's not included in MacK Field Guide. The place where these two species overlap is in the middle-east - so for an introduction to separating these species have look at this old Birdforum thread that, among comments on ID, gives a link to an Israeli birding site.
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=53882
 
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Hi Wittman - all you birds seem very good for Oriental Honey Buzzard - but to tell the truth most birders in China - even in a NW province like Xinjiang - because of range, would tick off all Honey Buzzards as Oriental.
I don't know if Eurasian Honey Buzzard is included in the China list - but it's not included in MacK Field Guide. The place where these two species overlap is in the middle-east - so for an introduction to separating these species have look at this old Birdforum thread that, among comments on ID, gives a link to an Israeli birding site.
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=53882

both species are on the Mongolian list, presumably Eurasian occurs in the far west. These are great photos of Oriental Honeys.
James
 
Excellent photos, clearly showing the 6 primary tips diagnostic of Oriental (European has 5).
 
both species are on the Mongolian list, presumably Eurasian occurs in the far west.
I would also concur with this idea - the Altai mountain area of Xinjiang is part of the the Great Northern Steppe area that includes Mongolia. Xinjiang as an area is a natural gateway from the orient to the middle-east (the old Silk Road). As such it represents a transition area between zones that could be described as Sahara and Arabian deserts and Western and Central Asia, and acts as a boundary of range for many Western species. In such circumstances I should think that Honey Buzzards seen in the area - especially during passage - should be carefully checked for the chance of Eurasian Honey Buzzard.
 
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Very nice OHB indeed.
Six fingers, broad wings, small looking head, broad and short looking tail, lack of dark carpal patch,

1. looks like an adult female
2. ad female (with a Buzzard)
3 ad female
4.ad female
5.ad female (with LLB)
6.ad female.
7.ad female (same as nr 6)
8.ad females.
9.ad female.
10.ad female.

And a male:

http://www.tarsiger.com/gallery/index.php?pic_id=linto1220718666&lang=fin

Check these:

http://www13.plala.or.jp/a_nisus/Honey Buzzard.html

Some European HB:

http://picasaweb.google.com/jensbb/...rakHuvudsakligenAdultHoneybuzzardMainlyAdult#

http://picasaweb.google.com/jensbb/...vudsakligenJuvenilHoneyBuzzardMainlyJuvenile#

JanJ
 
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Hey Jan - thanks to some wise and wonderful folk who decide what and what not the people of China can see and read on the web - I'm afraid we can't open Picasa - so those pictures of Eurasian HB you linked on that last post are effectively censored for us:-C
 
Hey Jan - thanks to some wise and wonderful folk who decide what and what not the people of China can see and read on the web - I'm afraid we can't open Picasa - so those pictures of Eurasian HB you linked on that last post are effectively censored for us:-C

Sid,

Can you not use kproxy.com ? Should be fine, I used it in Yunnan, Sichuan and Tibet this year without a problem - can access various banned websites this way...

Oh, nice OHB too! Only a small mesial stripe though on the close birds.

James
 
Hi James - I actually pay to use the Witopia VPN service (which is how I keep on adding to my Blogspot sites - Blogger also being blocked out here) - so can with a bit fiddling around get over the 'great firewall" and view dangerous Eurasian HB pictures on Picasa.
My comments were more of a general gripe - but has led on to a good tip for visiting birders about the use of proxies - which potentially allow you to get "freer" internet access during a China birding visit.
Useful bird ID images are also found on flickr. About 50% of flickr is also inaccessible (depends on which picture farm the photo is stored) - so some form of proxy/VPN is needed to get to see these.

Luckily OBC which has a most useful library of Chinese bird images is completely open - and is worth checking for Oriental Honey Buzzard. However Eurasian Honey Buzzard is not included on the OBC list.
 
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Well there you go - the famous chinese censorship. It seemed as you could get around to see those pic anyway, that´s good.

JanJ
 
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