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Old Monday 11th December 2017, 19:24   #26
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Honestly, you don't need it. I think that's the perfect outfit! If I were going to add ANYTHING to those two it would be a quality 8x32 and or 12X50. i'd be happy to recommend a couple!
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With the 7x42 UVHD+ Leica hit a magical sweet spot where everything came together exquisitely to the point where that sample's usability, image, and industrial design just about gave the 7x42 a soul.

Having said that, the NV 8x42 is technically a bit of a superior image, awesome to use, but maybe somehow just not as fun/satisfying to own, and I can't really say why. I would be fully satisfied either way.

A 7x42 UVHD+ an 8x42 NVD would be too redundant for me to justify, although in my case I already owned a 7x42 and therefore wished I'd kept both. A 7x42 UVHD+ with a NVD 10x42 would seem to be a nice pair to own together.
Thank you, guys, from saving me from myself! I have to say that the fact I have a 10x42 NV and a 7x42 UVHD+ is no accident. They were very carefully chosen as being a great combination and because they are arguably two of Leica's best. I had no plans to get the 8x42 NV, but when you see one at a great price........ well, you know how it is......!

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Old Monday 11th December 2017, 23:31   #27
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I think the NV may just have the most startling contrast I`v ever seen
A remark like this prompts a question that's been lurking in the back of my mind for a while now. Is a binocular meant to show what you would see standing 8-10x closer to something, with as little degradation as possible, or have we actually begun to expect it to make things look even better than in real life? In which case it's no surprise Leica is about to start making eyeglasses.
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Old Tuesday 12th December 2017, 03:12   #28
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A remark like this prompts a question that's been lurking in the back of my mind for a while now. Is a binocular meant to show what you would see standing 8-10x closer to something, with as little degradation as possible, or have we actually begun to expect it to make things look even better than in real life? In which case it's no surprise Leica is about to start making eyeglasses.
Is that what eyeglasses do?
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Old Wednesday 13th December 2017, 20:40   #29
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This is the binocular I keep in the glovebox in my vehicle. It has gotten a lot of use and got an unexpected good bit of use on this trip. It's a great binocular when all your gear is packed up or when you want something smaller while taking a tour. It's just gotten better with time. The focus has lightened up to be really nice. Lots of FOV helped around the confines of the fort. I really like this binocular. Really, it's without fault.

Leica Noctivid 8X42/10X42
Truly a premium binocular. I suppose I've had the 10X since about Jan/Feb of this year. I got the 8X a couple of months ago at the start of Eagle Optics liquidation. The 10X42 has by now gotten a lot of use. The 8X42 not so much. All I can say is I've had absolutely zero issues with either. Nada. Everything WORKS and/or FUNCTIONS perfectly! On both. Dare I say it but no binocular I've ever owned has a more buttery-smooth focus adjustment. IF anything beats a Nikon EDG II this is it. Hinge tension-perfect. Eyecups-perfect. Diopter adjustment- half a notch down from the best in the business, a Leica HD Plus. Case- great compromise between space and compactness. I haven't owned it long enough to recommend without reservation but the odds are in your favor!

Leica Trinovid HD 8X42
Was the workhorse of the trip. I didn't expect it to be and I didn't expect to use it as much as I did! I used it because it mainly because was light/compact. I used it on long jaunts. I used with with shorts/t-shirt along the beach. It seemed to always be handy so I used it. I've had this one for two years plus a few months. I come away with a new respect for this binocular. Focus adjustment has excellent feel and it slack-free. Eyecups function and adjust perfectly. Optically it is a joy to use. Using the Trinovid HD was the surprise of the trip. Even thought I've owned it quit a while I was really surprised how much I like it and how well it represented itself in the face of strong competition! Great binocular!

So far I've done nothing but work since the trip. I guess that's the way it goes..
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Is that what eyeglasses do?
If you're willing to follow the suggested hypothesis, it's what I imagine Leica eyeglasses might do. (Otherwise the world has plenty of them already)
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Old Thursday 14th December 2017, 01:14   #31
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Here is what the Leica eyeglasses look like. Amazing.

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If you're willing to follow the suggested hypothesis, it's what I imagine Leica eyeglasses might do. (Otherwise the world has plenty of them already)
OK, now I follow you (it was a bit late!). This is a huge topic, which I know has been discussed here before by members with far more technical knowledge than me, but it seems clear () that as soon as you look through any binocular the view which you experience is not going to be the same as the one you would experience by standing an appropriate number of times closer to the subject - on multiple levels. Given that, the view through a binocular is never going to be truly natural or neutral, and is, at the end of the day, always going to be subjective and personal. Personally, contrast is high on my list of preferences!
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the view which you experience is not going to be the same as the one you would experience by standing an appropriate number of times closer to the subject
This is true and for me, especially when looking at subjects at 1.5 - 2.0 metres, if find the view better than the naked eye. By 'better' I mean that I am able to examine the detail and content of the view more easily and more thoroughly than simply getting my naked eye that much closer to the object. I cannot easily explain this except to say that on some tv nature programmes there have been close-ups of for example bees or butterflies on flowers and friends and family have said that those views are fantastic and impossible in real life. But actually those views are easily obtained using the close focus of modern binos.

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Old Saturday 16th December 2017, 20:43   #34
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This is true and for me, especially when looking at subjects at 1.5 - 2.0 metres, if find the view better than the naked eye. By 'better' I mean that I am able to examine the detail and content of the view more easily and more thoroughly than simply getting my naked eye that much closer to the object. I cannot easily explain this except to say that on some tv nature programmes there have been close-ups of for example bees or butterflies on flowers and friends and family have said that those views are fantastic and impossible in real life. But actually those views are easily obtained using the close focus of modern binos.

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Totally agree! :)
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This is true and for me, especially when looking at subjects at 1.5 - 2.0 metres, if find the view better than the naked eye. By 'better' I mean that I am able to examine the detail and content of the view more easily and more thoroughly than simply getting my naked eye that much closer to the object. I cannot easily explain this except to say that on some tv nature programmes there have been close-ups of for example bees or butterflies on flowers and friends and family have said that those views are fantastic and impossible in real life. But actually those views are easily obtained using the close focus of modern binos.
I had in mind distant objects, for which I naturally think in terms of equivalent distances. But I think you're totally right about near views, which of course binoculars couldn't deliver decades ago. From experience with longer camera lenses I'd guess it has something to do with perspective and apparent field of view. Maybe the eye/brain appreciate detail better when not also trying to work out spatial relationships?
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From experience with longer camera lenses I'd guess it has something to do with perspective and apparent field of view. Maybe the eye/brain appreciate detail better when not also trying to work out spatial relationships?
That's surely one of the (perhaps the main) reasons why looking at a distant subject will not be the same (give the same view) as standing and appropriate number of times closer to the subject. You know from your experience with long lenses that things can look better (more impressive at least) through some good glass than they do through the naked eye!
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Maybe the eye/brain appreciate detail better when not also trying to work out spatial relationships?
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That's surely one of the (perhaps the main) reasons why looking at a distant subject will not be the same (give the same view) as standing and appropriate number of times closer to the subject. You know from your experience with long lenses that things can look better (more impressive at least) through some good glass than they do through the naked eye!
I think this is exactly why I find these views easier to examine: it takes one visual variable almost out of the picture, so to speak, and of course the field of view of the bino reduces peripheral distractions as well.

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I think this is exactly why I find these views easier to examine: it takes one visual variable almost out of the picture, so to speak, and of course the field of view of the bino reduces peripheral distractions as well.

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Again, I agree! This is also why I don't think I'm as bothered as many here are about FOV. I understand the attraction of a wide FOV, and certainly for birding at short to medium distances is must be a positive asset, but at long distances I often appreciate the relative lack of distraction and focus that a narrower FOV affords. And as you say, any binocular will greatly restrict FOV compared to the naked eye.
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Again, I agree! This is also why I don't think I'm as bothered as many here are about FOV. I understand the attraction of a wide FOV, and certainly for birding at short to medium distances is must be a positive asset, but at long distances I often appreciate the relative lack of distraction and focus that a narrower FOV affords. And as you say, any binocular will greatly restrict FOV compared to the naked eye.
This is also true and one of the reasons that there is not a bino model that is perfect for every job.

When watching Otters in the sea off the west of Scotland, and indeed all manner of diving things from birds to seals, a wide field of view is a fantastic asset to find where an Otter has re-surfaced or climbed out onto sea-weed covered rocks.

And a super wide FOV can be great for capturing in-flight views of dragonflies, but when it comes to examining them perched, a narrower fov assists concentrating on the central subject.

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Again, I agree! This is also why I don't think I'm as bothered as many here are about FOV. I understand the attraction of a wide FOV, and certainly for birding at short to medium distances is must be a positive asset, but at long distances I often appreciate the relative lack of distraction and focus that a narrower FOV affords. And as you say, any binocular will greatly restrict FOV compared to the naked eye.

That is interesting.

Jerry Liguori who wrote a couple of popular books about identifying "HAWKS AT A DISTANCE" and "HAWKS FROM EVERY ANGLE" recommended that beginning birders equip themselves with high quality binoculars.

He said the magnification should be based on what is most comfortable but he said he used 7x binoculars for watching hawks because he preferred "an extra wide field of view" even though others preferred the added power of 8x and 10x binoculars. In "Hawks at a Distance" he said he used Zeiss 7x45 Night Owls since 1994 because of their very wide FOV until 2008 when he got a Zeiss Victory FL. (The Zeiss 7x42 FL also has the same very wide FOV.)

Most top quality 7x42 roof prism binoculars have an 8 FOV or 420'@1000 yards. The Zeiss's had 450'@1000Yds.

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Not to hijack the thread but your one of the few that own the Swaro 12-50's. Its been a while since I played with a pair but aren't they through some magic very easy to hold steady? Clay from Swaro had me try a pair a few years ago and they were steadier than some 8X i've tried.
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Not to hijack the thread but your one of the few that own the Swaro 12-50's. Its been a while since I played with a pair but aren't they through some magic very easy to hold steady? Clay from Swaro had me try a pair a few years ago and they were steadier than some 8X i've tried.
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Good I'll make sure Lee knows thats what I want for Christmas. LOL
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