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Band-winged Nightjar
AOU-SACC Proposal #677 (Schulenberg & Robbins, Jul 2015): Recognize Systellura longirostris ruficervix, Systellura longirostris roraimae, and Systellura longirostris decussata as species.
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Sigurðsson & Cracraft 2014. [pdf]
AOU-SACC Proposal #677 (Schulenberg & Robbins, Jul 2015): Recognize Systellura longirostris ruficervix, Systellura longirostris roraimae, and Systellura longirostris decussata as species.
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Peter Kovalik
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Richard Klim
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Cayenne Nightjar
Costa, Ingels, Cavarzere & Silveira 2015. A new look at the holotype and type locality of Setopagis maculosa (Todd, 1920) (Aves: Caprimulgidae), with remarks on its systematic relationships. Zootaxa 3999(4): 581–588. [abstract & preview]
AOU-SACC...
Cleere & Sharpe 2014 (HBW Alive).
Papazian 2015 (Neotropical Birds Online).
Costa, Ingels, Cavarzere & Silveira 2015. A new look at the holotype and type locality of Setopagis maculosa (Todd, 1920) (Aves: Caprimulgidae), with remarks on its systematic relationships. Zootaxa 3999(4): 581–588. [abstract & preview]
AOU-SACC...
BirdLife (Species factsheet).
Cleere & Sharpe 2014 (HBW Alive).
Papazian 2015 (Neotropical Birds Online).
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Cayenne Nightjar
Chris Sharpe, HBW Alive, 14 Aug 2015: Cayenne Nightjar: where to look and what to look for...
Peter Kovalik
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Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
Can we use Nannochordeiles for Podager pusillus ?
l_raty
laurent raty
Nannochordeiles Hartert 1896 [OD], type by original monotypy Chordeiles pusillus Gould 1861.
Both Nannochordeiles and Podager are accepted as valid genera in, ia., Hartert 1897, Sharpe 1900, Dubois 1902, Oates & Reid 1903, Brabourne & Chubb 1912, Reichenow 1913, Oberholser 1914, Ridgway 1914, Cory 1918, de Oliveira Pinto 1938.
Nannochordeiles (but not Podager) was then synonymized back into Chordeiles by Peters 1940 (who commented: "The very slight structural characters upon which this genus is based, seem to be of specific rather than of generic value.").
So that would simply take us back to generic limits that were generally accepted in the early 20th C. (If stability of names matters, going back to a pre-existing arrangement -- one that is already, and forever, present in the literature -- is very much less disruptive than creating a new one. This criterion is very often not taken into account at all, however.)
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
Thanks for reply and link 
(although i didn't understand a part of the comments) LOL
A simple "yes" or "no" was enough for me.
Your comments are always instructives.
(although i didn't understand a part of the comments) LOL
A simple "yes" or "no" was enough for me.
Your comments are always instructives.
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Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
Cool, Great, GG
I was afraid to hear several taxonomists yell "heresy " like last time I'd suggest to use the Genus Penthornis for Sittiparus semilarvatus.
I was afraid to hear several taxonomists yell "heresy " like last time I'd suggest to use the Genus Penthornis for Sittiparus semilarvatus.
l_raty
laurent raty
What the comment was supposed to mean:
Names should allow communication about taxa, as well as the retrieval of information that has been published about them. (The latter being really just a particular case of the former: published information is information that is communicated to us by past authors.)
Name changes hamper communication, thus many think they should be avoided unless really necessary.
However, changing back to a treatment that was used in the past has, in part at least, the opposite effect: it eases the communication of information, from the authors who published under this treatment, to us. (And, if "the past" is not too far, it can also ease communication for persons who had learned the older treatment.) Thus not all changes hamper communication (in the broad sense) equally.
However, as I said above, this type of considerations is often not taken into account at all. Note that neither of the two publications that made the basis of proposal 674, nor the proposal itself, nor the earlier proposal 467, offered an in-depth discussion of the history of the generic limits in the group. I think this is regrettable.
Names should allow communication about taxa, as well as the retrieval of information that has been published about them. (The latter being really just a particular case of the former: published information is information that is communicated to us by past authors.)
Name changes hamper communication, thus many think they should be avoided unless really necessary.
However, changing back to a treatment that was used in the past has, in part at least, the opposite effect: it eases the communication of information, from the authors who published under this treatment, to us. (And, if "the past" is not too far, it can also ease communication for persons who had learned the older treatment.) Thus not all changes hamper communication (in the broad sense) equally.
However, as I said above, this type of considerations is often not taken into account at all. Note that neither of the two publications that made the basis of proposal 674, nor the proposal itself, nor the earlier proposal 467, offered an in-depth discussion of the history of the generic limits in the group. I think this is regrettable.
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Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
My problem is English language, not about the utterance. :cat:
Off topic
Sometimes I asked myself.
"Why is so long to create and publish a new generic name knowing that it's urgent ?"
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Mysticete
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Well I mean define urgent? I think in a lot of cases its juggling responsibilities, and maybe there are other papers that are higher profile, more interesting to you, or have time constraints and other responsibilities that require more attention.
Even if you have a very narrow focus, there is no shortage of projects to work on.
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
It was just an intrinsic interrogation. I'd have put "urgent " in quotes. 8-P
Perhaps it's me but I have the feeling that herpetology's taxonomy evolved more faster than birds taxonomy. That's all. Maybe I'm wrong.
What I means is : When I compare the number of new genera created for frogs an reptiles in recent years and for birds, there's no comparison.
Perhaps it's me but I have the feeling that herpetology's taxonomy evolved more faster than birds taxonomy. That's all. Maybe I'm wrong.
What I means is : When I compare the number of new genera created for frogs an reptiles in recent years and for birds, there's no comparison.
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Mysticete
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Historically though herps have had a much longer history of being lumped together based on superficial resemblances, at practically all taxonomic levels. I think there is a greater change simply because bird taxonomy has had more attention paid to it historically and was less screwed up at the advent of the molecular revolution.
Also modern herp systematics folks tend to be more liberal in splitting nad PSC approaches than bird folks are. I suspect in North America at least many of the accepted proposals for taxonomic change would not have been accepted if put forward to ornithologists.
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
To conclude
If I take Paragallinula or Spizelloides as an example, their creation was relatively fast (contrary to many birds species such as "Cyornis" concretus (since 2009/2010 we know) or some species of family Thraupidae e.g.
Go ! To work taxonomists, otherwise, it's me who takes your job.
Loool
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If I take Paragallinula or Spizelloides as an example, their creation was relatively fast (contrary to many birds species such as "Cyornis" concretus (since 2009/2010 we know) or some species of family Thraupidae e.g.
Go ! To work taxonomists, otherwise, it's me who takes your job.
Loool
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Richard Klim
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Band-winged Nightjar
Proposal #677A (Systellura decussata) passed, 22 Jan 2016, but proposal on English name needed before implementation: Proposal Tracking Chart.
