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Old Saturday 14th October 2017, 23:11   #26
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Of course Eagle Optics has it on sale for $670 (going out of business sale) now, so my timing is excellent as always . I got a chance to use the 9mm Nagler at a large lake this week. The clarity is perfect. I can see great detail at enormous distances. However, the field curvature is a little annoying when panning. It can be almost dizzying at times. I was able to follow some cormorants flying though and was amazed at the detail I could see while they were moving.

I almost had myself convinced I would get a Pentax 14 UW, for the comfort of the extra eye-relief and the flatter field, and to have something with a little less magnification. But now that I've used it, I can't see wanting less magnification. I am afraid I would never use it. The 10mm UW might be perfect for me, but I'm not sure I want to spend the money just for some extra eye-relief. Also, the Nagler is so much smaller and lighter.

For now, I think I will stick with it... I guess.
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Old Sunday 15th October 2017, 10:53   #27
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Glad to hear your pleased with your new scope Pete, I'm delighted with mine. If you think you might not use any other eyepieces, or only occasionally, get yourself a 15mm BST Explorer 49 in the UK. This would give you a really nice 34x for not much money. Don't let the cheap price put you off, they punch way above their weight.
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Old Sunday 15th October 2017, 13:29   #28
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Thanks, that could be a good idea. Then it is not much of an investment to see if I will want the less magnification ever.
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Old Friday 5th January 2018, 13:23   #29
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Just thought I would leave an update, since I have been using my scope a bit lately.

A little while back I found an amazing deal on a Pentax XW 14mm (I gave a lowball offer to someone on ebay who took it). However, as I suspected, I don't seem to want less magnification. The view is comfortable, sharp and everything you would expect, but I don't like to give up the extra magnification of the 9mm.

The 9mm Nagler is amazingly sharp, limited only by atmospheric haze. The views are so wide that is is almost hard to see the whole thing - there is no circle - just view everywhere. It is also very small and light compared to the Pentax, making it balance perfectly. The one flaw it has is that the edges of the field are curved (as primarily an astronomical eyepiece, I believe this is purposeful to ensure pinpoints for stars to the edge). This is very distracting when panning, and can even be somewhat sickening at times when searching around for an extended time.

So, I will probably end up with the Pentax 10mm XW, which is probably the best eyepiece for me.
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Old Friday 5th January 2018, 20:58   #30
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Thanks for the update Pete, personally I find it a bit annoying when someone starts a thread and then abandons it when you've been following it. I was all on to buy the Kowa TSN884, but I kept reading all the good reports on the Pentax scopes. So while I still had the Kowa, I ordered a PF80ED just to try it. 539 new.
Since you got the XW14 at a good price you won't be needing the BST 15mm I suggested. However to anyone else reading this post the BST 15mm is an absolute peach on the PF65ED and the PF80ED

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Old Saturday 6th January 2018, 21:57   #31
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So far I have mainly used my scope for water viewing (either lakes or ocean). In that scenario, I feel the PF80ED is wasted using less magnification. Honestly, it is a great scope, and there is nothing about it I feel is lacking for my needs.
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Old Sunday 7th January 2018, 14:04   #32
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Just thought I would leave an update, since I have been using my scope a bit lately.

A little while back I found an amazing deal on a Pentax XW 14mm (I gave a lowball offer to someone on ebay who took it). However, as I suspected, I don't seem to want less magnification. The view is comfortable, sharp and everything you would expect, but I don't like to give up the extra magnification of the 9mm.

The 9mm Nagler is amazingly sharp, limited only by atmospheric haze. The views are so wide that is is almost hard to see the whole thing - there is no circle - just view everywhere. It is also very small and light compared to the Pentax, making it balance perfectly. The one flaw it has is that the edges of the field are curved (as primarily an astronomical eyepiece, I believe this is purposeful to ensure pinpoints for stars to the edge). This is very distracting when panning, and can even be somewhat sickening at times when searching around for an extended time.

So, I will probably end up with the Pentax 10mm XW, which is probably the best eyepiece for me.
If you are happy with the Nagler 9 (i.e. the reduced eye-relief isn't limiting for you, unlike me...), you should try an Ethos clone of 9mm. Within this focal length I think the Ethos (8 or 10mm) are limited in relation to the clones due to the 1.25/2" adapter - most probably will not reach focus in a PF - if was the 4.7 or 3.7 I would recommend an Ethos, if price was not limiting for you. In this case the 9mm Ethos clones are much less expensive than a XW10, the image quality is similar to the Nagler (even having less pincushion...) and you have 100. The only minus is increased size. The APM/Lunt version is probably the most comfortable to most observers.
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Old Thursday 11th January 2018, 19:30   #33
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I've been thinking about your post David. Spending less money is desirable of course, but I am concerned about making the mistake (again) of not just buying the best fit for me in the first place. I also thought about the eye relief. The truth is, I am used to the Nagler now, but it would be nice to have a more comfortable viewing with some more eye relief.

I appreciate all the suggestions, they definitely make me think.
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Old Friday 12th January 2018, 23:42   #34
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Pete,
For more eye-relief than the Nagler and more AFOV than the XW you have also the Baader Morpheus - in practise, the AFOV is closer to the Nagler than to the XW. The minus are that isn't water-proof and you don't have a fine-tunable eye-guard. You can compare the AFOV to the XW at http://www.pt-ducks.com/cr-telescope...mm%20eyepieces
Another suggestion for you to think...
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