JHDraytonbassettpits
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Only Arctic Warbler, Dusky Warbler seen on the West coast of America other than Alaska, details Birding frontiers.
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Phylloscopus I.D Request (1 Viewer)
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Only Arctic Warbler, Dusky Warbler seen on the West coast of America other than Alaska, details Birding frontiers.
Tiraya
San Diego CA
I don't suppose anyone has thought longer term? For instance, could it not have been a Siberian species that has just slowly traveled through the US and gone unseen for a long time? From what I gather it seems that we are assuming it made the journey within a month or so.
Probably unlikely but its just another possibility. If it got lost once, it could get lost again and end up over the Atlantic Ocean...maybe...
And that's about all the constructiveness I can add to this thread.
Probably unlikely but its just another possibility. If it got lost once, it could get lost again and end up over the Atlantic Ocean...maybe...
And that's about all the constructiveness I can add to this thread.
Simon Wates
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I at least and I assume others are thinking it travelled last autumn and maybe even early winter - but more than a month ago, more like 3. This is merely an assumption but one that fits in with the more understood long distance vagrancy patterns of Phylloscopus (and many others).
I would imagine that by December the bird would have settled for the winter - even in an unsuitable climate.
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Simon Wates
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Now I am NOT suggesting it be done...but the bird could be captured and a mini geotag device attached to it. When it migrates, presumably the bird would return via whence it came.
Funny how on some photos it shows clearly yellow UTC's and on other photos they really look white.
Funny how on some photos it shows clearly yellow UTC's and on other photos they really look white.
Mark Lew1s
My real name is Mark Lewis
A reverse migrating Alaskan arctic warbler would head NE as opposed to the SW it was supposed to be going, which would lead it a long way from Bermuda. All of this of course is conjecture as the bird in question is almost certainly not an arctic warbler!
Simon Wates
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On this photo posted on Birding Frontiers does the tail projection (after wingtips) look too long for Arctic?
http://i1.wp.com/birdingfrontiers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_9704.jpg
http://i1.wp.com/birdingfrontiers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_9704.jpg
Mark Lew1s
My real name is Mark Lewis
I wouldn't like to say as I guess that sort of thing is prone to change with the position of the bird. However, on that pic alone, you could begin to eliminate arctic on leg colour, and also the shape of the super - on arctic, the super is very narrow above the eye - eg an eye rings width. On greenish it's broader - as it is on the bird in question.
Simon Wates
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Also, on other pictures the pale tipped bill and medium to short PP wouldn't support an Arctic.
It would be good to have some comments from the photographer about its size and behaviour as well as habitat; wet or dry, high in trees etc.
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Jane Turner
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I think the trick with this bird is to work with what is there rather than what isn't. Most of the tips of the upper contour feathers are missing where they are sharply focussed... I get the impression that the same thing is going on with the underparts. I'm not sure I can see median coverts or tertials...or inner greater coverts.
The greater coverts that you can see appear to be growing and do consistently show narrowish pale tips.
The shape and colour of the soft parts are not affected by moult or wear
The greater coverts that you can see appear to be growing and do consistently show narrowish pale tips.
The shape and colour of the soft parts are not affected by moult or wear
JHDraytonbassettpits
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Going NE an Artctic Warbler would be in Greenland not a place to find insects in winter
As has been suggested already, the closest 'fit' for this bird does appear to be Greenish Warbler, but there is a feeling of Arctic about it. This may be something to do with the head pattern and bill colour. Two-barred Greenish shares some similarities with Arctic Warbler in these respects ... in both, the supercilium often starts some way back from the bill, above the lores (whereas the supercilia tend to meet over the culmen in Greenish), while the bill of Two-barred can look slightly longer than on Greenish (and, like Arctic Warbler, the lower mandible can be entirely yellowish). The legs can look dull greyish, paler only on the feet. Obviously the stumbling point is that it doesn't actually show double wing-bars, but maybe that is connected with the plumage state/moult stage?
Jane Turner
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I was wondering if the rather thin GC edges were broad enough for TBG- I've never seen one, but they always strike me as being rather strongly tipped in photos....
Though this all hinges on the GCs of the Bermuda beird being new!
Though this all hinges on the GCs of the Bermuda beird being new!
Mark Lew1s
My real name is Mark Lewis
It would - not a good idea - but if an arctic warbler that was going to migrate SW from Alaska to SE Asia reverse migrated 180 degrees in the wrong direction, NE is the way it would go.
Bismarck Honeyeater
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I'm surprised no one else has spotted that (not really been following the FB discussion so apologies if already raised), what about the possibility of Green Warbler?
JHDraytonbassettpits
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JHDraytonbassettpits
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Reverse migration I have always understood is i.e Yellow-browed Warbler majority go South-East but some go SW and occur on the East Coast of Britain on passage I thought that was the perception of Reverse migration, I thought that was common knowledge amongst birders.
It's appears to be a survival strategy, why put all your eggs in one basket as the old saying goes.
Mark Lew1s
My real name is Mark Lewis
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_migration_(bird_migration)
No - it's where birds migrate (roughly) 180 degrees in the wrong direction.
Simon Wates
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On this photo posted on Birding Frontiers what's with what looks like pale tipped mantle feathers?
http://i0.wp.com/birdingfrontiers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_9690.jpg
http://i0.wp.com/birdingfrontiers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_9690.jpg
Jane Turner
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There is a hint of that on one of the earlier photos (below). It would be funny if it was the end of a broadly tipped tertial that was growing!
A lot of people seem confident that this is a relatively large Phyllosc, but strangely I'd be less worried shape-wise if it were a YB/HYB W. The head pattern doesn't seem quite right and surely the emerging wing bar would be more prominent.... and going with what is there, the bright edges to the flight seem to go all the way to the GCs
A lot of people seem confident that this is a relatively large Phyllosc, but strangely I'd be less worried shape-wise if it were a YB/HYB W. The head pattern doesn't seem quite right and surely the emerging wing bar would be more prominent.... and going with what is there, the bright edges to the flight seem to go all the way to the GCs
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JHDraytonbassettpits
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Yes they originally start off in the wrong direction then move south that's why Palla's Warbler, Yellow-Browed Warbler, Greenish Warbler are found on the East coast of Britain in Autumn in most numbers, then are recorded in places like Spain suggesting they are moving south.
If they continued migrating North West you would have numbers being found on the Scottish Western isles, some making it to the Faero islands, and you would expect vagrant records in Iceland.
