[joe101]

Originally Posted by ceasar

Southern Hemisphere price will be higher!

Bob

huh why ?

[James Bean]

Isn't it obvious? Because you're antipodean (aka 'southpaws' or 'left-footers') they have to make special upside-down models for you blokes 'down under', so costs go up of course... Crikey, mate, it's not rocket science!

[Robert Wallace]

Originally Posted by James Bean

Isn't it obvious? Because you're antipodean (aka 'southpaws' or 'left-footers') they have to make special upside-down models for you blokes 'down under', so costs go up of course... Crikey, mate, it's not rocket science!

Oh heck does that mean my current binoculars won't work when I visit Singapore in a few weeks time?!
Sounds like just the excuse I needed to buy some new bins.

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by Robert Wallace

Oh heck does that mean my current binoculars won't work when I visit Singapore in a few weeks time?!
Sounds like just the excuse I needed to buy some new bins.

Yes Robert and don't forget to take some hangunder tablets for those mornings after..............

Lee

[joe101]

Originally Posted by Robert Wallace

Oh heck does that mean my current binoculars won't work when I visit Singapore in a few weeks time?!
Sounds like just the excuse I needed to buy some new bins.

Guys, Singapore is in the northern hemisphere, if you din't know that .
A nickname of our city is one degree north, or at least to local astronomers

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by joe101

Guys, Singapore is in the northern hemisphere, if you din't know that .
A nickname of our city is one degree north, or at least to local astronomers

Apologies for our ignorance Joe, still, what's one degree between pals?

Lee

[ticl2184]

Would it be possible for Mark or Gary from Zeiss UK to comment on the "actual" reason for the delay in the release of the HT's ?

[ticl2184]

Would it be possible for Mark or Gary from Zeiss UK to comment on the "actual" reason for the delay in the release of the HT's ?

Obviously not !

[garymh]

Originally Posted by ticl2184

Obviously not !

Obviously yes !!!!!

The Schott HT glass that we are using in the Victory HT binocular is a brand new innovation.

As with all new products of this nature we are ensuring that the quality is consistent and that all binoculars of this series will give the same results.

We want to produce the ultimate binocular range with a consistently high quality and unfortunately there have been delays while we get things perfect.

[spiralcoil]

Hi, what would be the reason for Zeiss against the use of "field flattener" on the new HT to compete with the Swaro SV?

Originally Posted by garymh

Obviously yes !!!!!

The Schott HT glass that we are using in the Victory HT binocular is a brand new innovation.

As with all new products of this nature we are ensuring that the quality is consistent and that all binoculars of this series will give the same results.

We want to produce the ultimate binocular range with a consistently high quality and unfortunately there have been delays while we get things perfect.

[NDhunter]

Originally Posted by spiralcoil

Hi, what would be the reason for Zeiss against the use of "field flattener" on the new HT to compete with the Swaro SV?

With Zeiss it seems the goal is brightness, or transmission, as these are designed for the hunter in mind, not the birder.
To get better edges using field flatteners would require an all new ocular lens
design, multiple lenses and more complicated.
They are not ready for that, and so the high end sales side will still be solidly
Swarovski.
In the US, Swarovski is easily the sales leader. Just check this out with any
large sporting goods store.
I don't see anything Zeiss changing that at all.

Jerry

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by NDhunter

With Zeiss it seems the goal is brightness, or transmission, as these are designed for the hunter in mind, not the birder.
To get better edges using field flatteners would require an all new ocular lens
design, multiple lenses and more complicated.
They are not ready for that, and so the high end sales side will still be solidly
Swarovski.
In the US, Swarovski is easily the sales leader. Just check this out with any
large sporting goods store.
I don't see anything Zeiss changing that at all.

Jerry

I can state categorically that the HTs have not been designed solely for, nor solely with input from, hunters.

The absence of field flatteners is not evidence of the absence of consideration for birders' needs or the needs of those wanting a general purpose nature observation instrument.

Hunters are an important segment of the market but the notion that brightness is only important to hunters and not to birders or naturalists seems misguided to me.

Zeiss has its own views on the value of field flatteners, central sharpness vs edge sharpness etc. Its up to individuals whether this view suits their requirements or not.

One thing is absolutley clear:HTs are for everybody not just hunters.

If you have been, thank you for listening.................

Lee

[ticl2184]

Obviously yes !!!!!

Thanks for the reply Gary.

Tim

[garymh]

Hi Tim,

You're welcome,


Gary.

[NDhunter]

Originally Posted by Troubador

I can state categorically that the HTs have not been designed solely for, nor solely with input from, hunters.

The absence of field flatteners is not evidence of the absence of consideration for birders' needs or the needs of those wanting a general purpose nature observation instrument.

Hunters are an important segment of the market but the notion that brightness is only important to hunters and not to birders or naturalists seems misguided to me.

Zeiss has its own views on the value of field flatteners, central sharpness vs edge sharpness etc. Its up to individuals whether this view suits their requirements or not.

One thing is absolutley clear:HTs are for everybody not just hunters.

If you have been, thank you for listening.................

Lee

Lee:

I am well aware that these new binoculars will be used by all.
If you look back at the thread on here titled "Here are the new Victories...."
there are several posts that promote the initial marketing to hunters.

From Mr. Jenson, Pres. of Carl Zeiss, North America,

"This will be a core hunting product".

"The first real "super premium binocular" built by hunters for hunters."

The initial marketing push is to the hunting sector. That is not good or
bad, just wanting to remind how Zeiss promotes its products.

Jerry

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by NDhunter

Lee:

I am well aware that these new binoculars will be used by all.
If you look back at the thread on here titled "Here are the new Victories...."
there are several posts that promote the initial marketing to hunters.

From Mr. Jenson, Pres. of Carl Zeiss, North America,

"This will be a core hunting product".

"The first real "super premium binocular" built by hunters for hunters."

The initial marketing push is to the hunting sector. That is not good or
bad, just wanting to remind how Zeiss promotes its products.

Jerry

Hi Jerry

You are not wrong about the marketing, thats for sure.

The problem in this case is when some people interpret this as meaning the HT was designed solely for hunters.

Lee

[motts]

I'd let your eyes determine which bino is appropriate...not a corporate marketing team. Many hunters have known for years that if they wanted info on the best binos...find out what birders were using...no matter if the binos were marketed at birders or not.

I suppose hunters may put a higher priority on low light performance over sharpenss or contrast. However, usually there are multiple bins that will get the job done. I don't like to get to technical over it all. I just try a bunch out and get the one that looks good and feels right to me.

When you're talking top tier, Alpha, bins especially...the minute differences aren't gonna make you not ID a bird or miscount tines on antlers...they'll all be able to do the job or they all won't. It's just personal preferences on what your individual eyes prefer and personal ergonomics.

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by motts

I'd let your eyes determine which bino is appropriate...not a corporate marketing team. Many hunters have known for years that if they wanted info on the best binos...find out what birders were using...no matter if the binos were marketed at birders or not.

I suppose hunters may put a higher priority on low light performance over sharpenss or contrast. However, usually there are multiple bins that will get the job done. I don't like to get to technical over it all. I just try a bunch out and get the one that looks good and feels right to me.

When you're talking top tier, Alpha, bins especially...the minute differences aren't gonna make you not ID a bird or miscount tines on antlers...they'll all be able to do the job or they all won't. It's just personal preferences on what your individual eyes prefer and personal ergonomics.

Exactly.

Lee

[Stanbo]

Originally Posted by motts

I'd let your eyes determine which bino is appropriate...not a corporate marketing team. Many hunters have known for years that if they wanted info on the best binos...find out what birders were using...no matter if the binos were marketed at birders or not.

I suppose hunters may put a higher priority on low light performance over sharpenss or contrast. However, usually there are multiple bins that will get the job done. I don't like to get to technical over it all. I just try a bunch out and get the one that looks good and feels right to me.

When you're talking top tier, Alpha, bins especially...the minute differences aren't gonna make you not ID a bird or miscount tines on antlers...they'll all be able to do the job or they all won't. It's just personal preferences on what your individual eyes prefer and personal ergonomics.

A bit of common sense for a change - well said Motts. Everyone has different eyes.

Stan

[Troubador]

Zeiss USA are still showing 15th Sept as the launch date for HTs.

Looks like at long last its going to happen.

Lee

[ticl2184]

I hear from someone at Zeiss Uk that delivery for the Uk is October. Perhaps the US will get the first taste of HT's ?

[joe101]

I got a feeling no

[Troubador]

Originally Posted by joe101

I got a feeling no

Hi Joe

I think the US will get them first. Last month by this time Zeiss US had pulled the launch date of Aug 15th and replaced it with 15th Sept. We are only days away now and the Zeiss US site is still showing 15th Sept.

Last UK delivery I heard was of tiny quantities arriving end Sept and then supply building up through Oct.

Lee

[ticl2184]

Were getting pretty close now. Surely dealers in the US know if there getting a delivery of HT's this Friday or not ?