Whatever Happened To Swaro's Latest Bin? (1 Viewer)

Mac308 said:

First of all, comparing a binocular coating to brakes on a car is a ridiculous comparison. All cars come with brakes, not all bin's come with a hydrophobic coating, no matter how expensive they are. Swarovski is usually well behind the technology curve relative to Leica IME and since Swaro doesn't tout such a coating like Zeiss or Leica, it's logical to assume there is none...

Finally, Swarovski is an Austrian Co., not a German one so your Porsche analogy falls down further. :t:

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ThoLa said:

0) as regards the question what is logical to assume I am not going to argue with you o

1) Swarovski had the Easy-Clean, now Swaroclean coating quite some time before Leica had a similar system!

2) Porsches are made in Germany but Ferdinand Porsche has been an Austrian, and the company is still firmly in the hands off his austrian relatives. There was less distinction between these countries when the company was set up, though...

3) I did not compare coatings to brakes. it was a so-called analogy.
Assuming Swaroski would give up its repellent (NOT hydrophobic!) coating in their new top-line instruments is like assuming a race-car company stopped having braking-assistance in their new top line, ultra-expensive cars. The fact that the repellant coating is mentioned ubiquitously in combination with the new ELs shows there's no further need to discuss or speculate.

4) To please your mode of thinking I would have picked an austrian car maker, of course, .... if there were any.

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ThoLa said:

"We have discovered during the transition to series production that the manufacturing tolerances we have imposed on ourselves with this unique product design do not allow us to produce the high number of items that we need using the production technologies available. In view of the fact that our export share exceeds 90%, we aim to be in a position to supply both our international trade partners and our customers equally and in line with demand, so we do not give rise to long waiting times between placing of the order at the dealership and receipt of the binoculars by the customer, we consider it necessary to harmonise construction-related tolerances even more precisely with state of the art production technologies. For this reason the start of delivery has been postponed until the first quarter of 2010 with the existing, multi-award winning models of the EL 42 available throughout 2009"



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falcondude said:

does that mean the water will stay on the lens, instead of being repelled by coating, like Bushnell's rainguard?

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Mac308 said:

Wondering the same thing.

Aside, there's nothing quite as arrogant as a German lecturing one...

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Sancho said:

Jeez. Easy to see you don´t have Chinese in-laws (like I do....)

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ThoLa said:

"We have discovered during the transition to series production that the manufacturing tolerances we have imposed on ourselves with this unique product design do not allow us to produce the high number of items that we need using the production technologies available. In view of the fact that our export share exceeds 90%, we aim to be in a position to supply both our international trade partners and our customers equally and in line with demand, so we do not give rise to long waiting times between placing of the order at the dealership and receipt of the binoculars by the customer, we consider it necessary to harmonise construction-related tolerances even more precisely with state of the art production technologies. For this reason the start of delivery has been postponed until the first quarter of 2010 with the existing, multi-award winning models of the EL 42 available throughout 2009"


A quote from here:
http://www.swarovski-optik.info/ind...&newsID=1224230476__ID48f8464c77d912.06890581

You must click on the http-line, a new page will open that yields the "whole story".

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Dale Forbes said:

As soon as I got access to some "insider knowledge" a few weeks ago (as a new employee) this was one of the first things I tried to find out . what I understand from the technicians is that it takes the same amount of gearing to get from infinity to 3m as it does to get from 3m to 1.5m. everything seemed to have been worked out and the initial pre-serial production was all rather good. unfortunately, in going from small number production to large-scale/bulk production they found that an unacceptably high proportion were not perfect and had to be re-worked. given that these guys in production are obsessed with quality, this caused some real stress. they decided that the system would need to be re-worked until everything was functioning perfectly before launching the product (even though this must have really hurt).

I have spoken to pretty much everyone involved in this project from bottom to top and not once has anyone mentioned anything about the global economy being even remotely a factor. if initial serial production had been successful - as assumed/planned - then we would have seen this binocular on the market this year.

Granted, I now work for the company, but the first time I saw these new Swarovision ELs, I was stunned: they really are incredible. :t:

Happy birding,
Dale

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CLRobles said:

Thank you Dale! And this is a perfect example of why this class of bin is not only more expensive but also more valuable than something out of China! A company such as Swarovski WILL hold production when they find a fault because they have their technical pride, reputation, and the expectations of Swarovski customers at forefront of their business. This will lead them to hold up production and not release a product such as one that suffers from serious "stray light issues"....

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kristoffer said:

You mean like Nikon, who produce bins in China? I thought you found the SEs to be of high quality :t:

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kristoffer said:

You mean like Nikon, who produce bins in China? I thought you found the SEs to be of high quality :t:

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ThoLa said:

this terrible world we live in is so much more complicated than some minds are capable of imagining :king:

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Dale Forbes said:

Granted, I now work for the company, but the first time I saw these new Swarovision ELs, I was stunned: they really are incredible. :t:

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Mac308 said:

BUT, you or anyone has yet answered the question, is the Swaro coating similar to Zeiss's Lotutec or Leica's (whatever its called) "hydrophobic" coating? IE, does your coating "scatter" H2o like the Zeiis/Leica coatings?

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Dale Forbes said:

as far as I know, SwaroClean (what Swarovski Optik calls their fancy schmancy keep-the-water-and-dirt-off-the-lenses coating) has been standard for a good many years and is not really marketed. I agree that it is great to have, but it is nowadays pretty much expected in high quality optics. Searching for the term "Swaroclean" on our website essentially renders a list of our products.

Swarodur on the other hand is the relatively hard-wearing coating used on the outer lenses, replacing the very delicate Swarotop which is used on the internal lenses. I met the head of the coatings team the other day and it was absolutely fascinating what and how they are doing it - and how much time and effort they put in to developing and improving the coatings.

So, to answer your original question, the new EL Swarovision will most certainly have Swaroclean.

Happy birding,
Dale

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Sancho said:

Nice to have someone from Swaro on board BF, Dale, and congratulations on the new job! Sounds pretty ideal for an optics nut..... If they have an opening for a Tea-Boy, let me know.....

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