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Anonymous warblers in Suffolk for ID (1 Viewer)
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lou salomon
the birdonist
agree on garden warbler (and not marsh 
)
)
gerdwichers8
Well-known member
Warmbrown uppertail coverts visible: Reed Warbler.
lou salomon
the birdonist
cheers, failed again?!! i thought the bill looked acro-like in the 2nd pic but in the first?
Andrew Rowlands
Well-known member
Pic #1 is a Garden Warbler
Surely pic #2 is something else?
Cheers,
Andy.
Surely pic #2 is something else?
Cheers,
Andy.
Steven Astley
Well-known member
Yes agree andrew pic 1 garden the 2nd pic being a reed warblerAndrew Rowlands said:
gerdwichers8
Well-known member
lou salomon said:
who fails in this live Lou, everyone who dies?
Steven Astley
Well-known member
Yep sorry for that spoke too soon. second look and agree, i was wrong, both are reed.
deborah4
Well-known member
Pic 1
Marsh imm.aut?? - What I see cf. reed is: roundish head, short blunt bill, pale 'bottom' edge to prim.coverts (along the flanks), dark edge to less.coverts, darkish 'tips' to prim.coverts quite prominent, darkish patches on scaps, yellowish tinge to upper legs/elbows
Pic 2 (edit) - seems to have very long prim.proj and less distinctive features (but pic looks weird anyway?)
:egghead: o
Marsh imm.aut?? - What I see cf. reed is: roundish head, short blunt bill, pale 'bottom' edge to prim.coverts (along the flanks), dark edge to less.coverts, darkish 'tips' to prim.coverts quite prominent, darkish patches on scaps, yellowish tinge to upper legs/elbows
Pic 2 (edit) - seems to have very long prim.proj and less distinctive features (but pic looks weird anyway?)
:egghead: o
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JANJ
Well-known member
MSA
I may be relaxed but I'm not drunk....
So in conclusion, 1 is a Garden Warbler, 2 is a Reed Warbler.
If you look at the position of the eye in relation to the head shape, in 1 it is directly below the peak (highest part of the head), in 2 it is only half way up the slope of the forehead, so clearly two different birds.
If you look at the position of the eye in relation to the head shape, in 1 it is directly below the peak (highest part of the head), in 2 it is only half way up the slope of the forehead, so clearly two different birds.
passavy
Active member
Hi everybody
Sorry to contradict everybody on the first pic but I do see a dull Chiffchaff here. The first and most important point is the bill, that is short, straight and quite massive instead of a long, curved and thickness-decreasing bill for a Reed Warbler. The general position is wrong too, a Reed Warbler in this posture would have either an erected crown instead of this smooth phylloscopus-like cap, or a "flatter" angle between forehead and bill. Apart from that, the supercilium extends behind the eye, and the head relative to the body (especially belly) looks too small for Reed warbler but ok for Chiffchaff. But I agree either this bird is very dull at that time of the year, or the picture does not reflect its true colors due to lack of brightness.
So now, it is time for you to slaughter me...
Regards
Guillaume
Sorry to contradict everybody on the first pic but I do see a dull Chiffchaff here. The first and most important point is the bill, that is short, straight and quite massive instead of a long, curved and thickness-decreasing bill for a Reed Warbler. The general position is wrong too, a Reed Warbler in this posture would have either an erected crown instead of this smooth phylloscopus-like cap, or a "flatter" angle between forehead and bill. Apart from that, the supercilium extends behind the eye, and the head relative to the body (especially belly) looks too small for Reed warbler but ok for Chiffchaff. But I agree either this bird is very dull at that time of the year, or the picture does not reflect its true colors due to lack of brightness.
So now, it is time for you to slaughter me...
Regards
Guillaume
deborah4
Well-known member
passavy said:
Hi Guillaume
re: Pic 1
I agree about the bill, and your comments on the shape of the head, which is why I would prefer an imm. marsh for no. 1 - However, IMO the eye-ring is just too prominant for a chaff and although it wouldn't be very unusual, for a chaff to have such pale legs, but yellow feet too ?
It's all a learning curve :bounce:
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passavy
Active member
Hi Deborah
I did see the pale color of the back of the legs and feet and wondered a little about Willow Warbler, but neither my memory or my Svensson told me anything about these legs...
Thanks for this info, it might be useful to identify one day my first Marsh warbler, quite elusive in center France
Rgds
Guillaume
I did see the pale color of the back of the legs and feet and wondered a little about Willow Warbler, but neither my memory or my Svensson told me anything about these legs...
Thanks for this info, it might be useful to identify one day my first Marsh warbler, quite elusive in center France
Rgds
Guillaume
Jane Turner
Well-known member
Both are 1st winter Reed Warblers.
