David Swain
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BTW, does this mean the EII are back on the US Nikon site? I'm looking at this.
That is the Global site; on the Americas/USA site they don't exist. (I was also similarly confused recently)
BTW, does this mean the EII are back on the US Nikon site? I'm looking at this.
I think most people will find the EII the most appealing because of it's huge FOV.
This is something that gets parroted a lot. I think some have read a number on a page somewhere sometime and repeated it and over time has become one of those thing "we know is true". The perception of wideness may contribute to this.
But, much like in politics, saying something over and over doesn't necessarily make it fact.
Here is a fact, and one I wrote about a few years back on these pages. My Leica 8x32 Trinovids have a wider field than my 8x30 EIIs. Let me be specific. The Leicas show more stuff between the field stops than the EIIs.
Assuming the 8x32 Trinovids are probably not unique for their FOV per their design, one can probably figure that the EIIs are about the same or slightly narrower in view than other top shelf roofs of 8x32ish configuration.
Regarding the EIIs generally, I am also a fan. Great bin, with a few limitations.
But, much like in politics, saying something over and over doesn't necessarily make it fact.
The same is true about repeating that the 8x32 Trinnie has a wider FOV than the 8x30 EII.
Yeah, that's cute Brock. The obvious difference is that I'm the only one you've read saying this v countless people lauding the wideness of the EII.
Look, the EII does appear to be very wide when viewing through it. What I'm saying is that it is an illusion, to a degree, and that at least one other common 8x32 has a wider field, between the stops.
OK L, Bob, and Brock. With a stable rest, tripod, fence rail, whatever, with the inter ocular distance set for a clean circle, aligning either the left or right side of the field stop with some point of reference, the opposite side will show more things looking through the Trinovids than the EIIs.
Look, I've done this 20 times, at different distances, with different objects.
I'm not delusional.
Recounting the specification is pointless, and, that IS my point. I suggest you all try it for yourselves.
Yes. You will love itQuestions.
I have the 8x32 SE, do you think I should get the EII for collection?
Yes. You will love it
Questions.
I have the 8x32 SE, do you think I should get the EII for collection?
Well Brock, et al,
Tonight I found a pair of stars that just fit within the EIIs field. With the Trinovids they didn't quite fit, though by the smallest of margins. Bins were stabilized on a tripod.
So, by my accounting the Leicas have a slightly wider view at birding range and the EIIs are oh so slightly wider at infinity looking at stars. Either way the differences are not much.
As I've mentioned already, the EIIs have a view that appears to be wider as the image circle is a little larger. But, there is no more information within that image circle.
The real point to all this isn't that one is wider than the other but that they are pretty much the same in contrast to the ever present references to the EIIs extra wide view. Bob's (and maybe others) mileage may vary, though I'm at a loss to understand how that could be. Maybe I'm the only one to have compared them in this regard in a somewhat systematic fashion.
Questions.
I have the 8x32 SE, do you think I should get the EII for collection?
Well Brock, et al,
Tonight I found a pair of stars that just fit within the EIIs field. With the Trinovids they didn't quite fit, though by the smallest of margins. Bins were stabilized on a tripod.
So, by my accounting the Leicas have a slightly wider view at birding range and the EIIs are oh so slightly wider at infinity looking at stars. Either way the differences are not much.
As I've mentioned already, the EIIs have a view that appears to be wider as the image circle is a little larger. But, there is no more information within that image circle.
The real point to all this isn't that one is wider than the other but that they are pretty much the same in contrast to the ever present references to the EIIs extra wide view. Bob's (and maybe others) mileage may vary, though I'm at a loss to understand how that could be. Maybe I'm the only one to have compared them in this regard in a somewhat systematic fashion.
Kevin,
As I suspected, something - pincushion or the larger apparent image in roofs - is causing you to see a larger apparent FOV in the Leica at birding distances, however, I'm surprised that the TFOV is so close to the 8x EII while looking at "fixed" stars.
Assuming you did your test carefully (easy to mistake one star for another, particularly under a dark sky that shows lots of stars, which is why I suggested using a known asterism, which can be recognized by their shape), your comparison suggests that the Leica 8x32 Trinnie's actual FOV is greater than its listed FOV of 7.7*, because you could easily discern a whole degree difference using a star test.
EDz over at Cloudy Nights has done many FOV tests, and he often finds that the FsOV listed by manufacturers don't match up to what he measured, although more often than not the FOV is less than stated, but occasionally it is greater, usually slighter more, measured in tenths of a degree.
Until somebody else does a star test and finds different, we'll have to assume that Leica's specs were too conservative.
Thanks for doing that test for us.
Brock[/QUOT
Brock,
Don't stop there and leave everybody hanging. How conservative were Leica's specs on the FOV of the 8x32 Trinovid? Pick a figure. Is it closer to 7.7º or to 8.8º?
And as I noted in my post above, why hasn't anybody noticed this before? The Leica Trinovid BN binoculars were introduced to the public on 9/1/2000. When the Ultravids were introduced it was still 7.7º. And it still is today with the Ultravid HD. Eagle Optics says the FOV is 404'@1000 yards. CameraLand says 7.7º
http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/leica/leica-ultravid-hd-8x32-binocular
You can get a Demo at Eagle Optics for $1599.99
Bob
I have an 8x42 Trinovid BN which has an 8º (420'@1000yds)FOV and I've compared it with my Nikon 8x30EII. The latter has a much wider FOV.
Bob