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Sawfly ID request, Sussex Uk (1 Viewer)

Jan-Paul Charteris

Sussex birder and budding moth enthusiast
Any chance this can be identified from the photos? Any help would be appreciated :t:
 

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I reckon I've ID'd this as Solomon's Seal Sawfly. Not sure if there are any similar species though

Hmm, i am wondering what leads you to this? If by similar species you mean "black sawflies" then there are dozens. Phymatocera aterrima is a spring species, when did you take photo?

If you have shots that show antennae such that you can make out segments and clear shot of wing venation then should be able to get it to genus.

From these photos cannot see any segmentation of flagella suggesting Arge.

just noticed tip of abdomen in first photo, get a clear shot of that and I think species id should be easy.
 
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Hmm, i am wondering what leads you to this? If by similar species you mean "black sawflies" then there are dozens. Phymatocera aterrima is a spring species, when did you take photo?

If you have shots that show antennae such that you can make out segments and clear shot of wing venation then should be able to get it to genus.

From these photos cannot see any segmentation of flagella suggesting Arge.

just noticed tip of abdomen in first photo, get a clear shot of that and I think species id should be easy.

Hi Ficedula, thanks for replying. Someone had just suggested on an insect group that it reminded them of Solomon's Seal Sawfly that they had seen in their garden, and when I googled it I could see similarities (but guessed it was probably unlikely to be so simple!).

I took the photos this week, so from what you say of the timing it sounds like Phymatocera aterrima is unlikely then.

I've attached one more shot which shows some of the abdomen tip and the antennae, but I doubt the resolution of the photo is going to help much. I haven't (yet) got a proper macro lens unfortunately
 

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If there is any Berberis nearby it'll be in a neighbours garden. None in mine. I agree the photo you linked is very similar though and can see what you mean about the difference in antennae structure from Phymatocera aterrima. I'll leave it as sawfly sp. for now. Do you think the genus is safely argedae though?
 
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