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More birds from Hungary (1 Viewer)
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thebirdguy
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1 White wagtail
2 Accipiter?
3 Black redstart?
4 Blackbird
5 GSW?
2 Accipiter?
3 Black redstart?
4 Blackbird
5 GSW?
yes
1 WHite Wag
2 is a Sparrowhawk
3 Black Redstart
4 Blackbird
5 juvenile GSW, too much white in the tail for Syrian
my first thought too, but pale undertail as good for juvenile GSW, streaked underparts far from clear (just messy feathers), head pattern ok for GSW but strange view from below but above all far to heavy bill for Middle-spotted
more comments most welcome
SteveClifton
Well-known member
Black loral line doesn't reach the bill which favours MSW.
I think the streaks on the flanks are real, and there are a few on the ear coverts too. Also favours MSW.
The white bars on the flight feathers (total 7-8) extend onto the greater coverts (white tips) which should exclude other species, which have 5-6 bars.
The shape of the white scapular patch looks closest to MSW, and also note that it connects with the white barring on the flight feathers & g-covs. More isolated on GSW and Syrian
The head pattern/shape look odd for MSW but perhaps to do with the odd angle?
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Andy Adcock
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MSW was my first thougt FWIW
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Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
Agree the bill is far too heavy for MSpW, compare the pic on Opus: http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Middle_Spotted_Woodpecker
What about GSpW x Syrian W hybrid, if it doesn't quite match either?
good call!
lou salomon
the birdonist
just juv syrian woodie, imo. position of head makes moustacial look bulging towards hindneck.
esmondb
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There's a lot of white on the tail, as pointed out by Tconzemi, otherwise I agree. Feather wear, moult or something else?
Valéry Schollaert
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This is what I think too :t:
Sangahyando
Well-known member
That's an awful lot of white in the wing, which usually points to MSW. IIRC I've also seen MSWs (maybe immatures?) with more black extending into the back half or so of the crown. The only feature that doesn't seem to fit is the bill. Couldn't it just be that some of the feathers around the bill base are pulled back or have fallen out, making it appear larger than normal? Just saying.
Maybe a hybrid between the other two species can produce a similar effect in the wing or on the cheeks, I don't know. In that case though, why not a MSW hybrid? Or is that genetically impossible somehow?
Nutcracker
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Highly improbable at least, if not impossible; GSpW and SyrianW are closely related, but MSpW much more distant - IOC have recently split it into a separate genus Dendrocoptes on genetic evidence.
canadiankestrel
Member
Do you think #2 is a Eurasian Sparrowhawk or a Levant sparrow hawk?
lou salomon
the birdonist
eurasian sparrowhawk, moulting primaries.
canadiankestrel
Member
Thank you very much
Earnest lad
Well-known member
MSW or GSW
One might bear in mind that the GSW is far more common in Hungary than the MSW; not to say this means it cannot be a MSW
One might bear in mind that the GSW is far more common in Hungary than the MSW; not to say this means it cannot be a MSW
Andy Adcock
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