Raptor, Crete, Greece (1 Viewer)

ColD

Save the Egyptian Vulture in Greece

• Sep 2, 2011

• #1

Spotted this afternoon, When first seen it looked slightly smaller than a Common Buzzard had a lovely rufous tail from above and below, which was the first thing I noticed as it circled about half a mile away (hence the heat haze afftected pics) The tail looks to short for and Eleonoras Falcon and the wings too broad imo also the rufous tail colour I have not seen before, but then its molting. But would appreciate some input into this one please , I think its Eleonora's Falcon but it just did not look right at the time, maybe a trick of the light or my eyes !!!
Thanks
ColD
http://www.crete-birding.co.uk

 

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TWM

Well-known member

• Sep 2, 2011

• #2

I think Eleonora's too.

 

M

Manne

Earnie Mccracken

• Sep 2, 2011

• #3

Feathers of different ages (juv and older) show the bird has to be 2 cy. And it looks like an Eleonorae. Surprisingly misleading when one see the second picture (how broad-winged it looks)

 

Jane Turner

Well-known member

• Sep 3, 2011

• #4

I'm struggling with EF structure-wise - even though 1st year birds look thicker set - my first reaction was Lanner, build-wise

 

tconzemi

Tom

Supporter

• Sep 3, 2011

• #5

P4 moulting is very dark and much longer than juvenile primaries which is typical for Eleonora's, juv. indeed have a completely different wing shape.
Tom

 

Jane Turner

Well-known member

• Sep 3, 2011

• #6

Hijacking the thread slightly - what does anyone make of this

http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=284217&d=1284760466

You can't see it in this photo, but the undertail coverts were unmarked, no anchors just streaks on flanks

 

ColD

Save the Egyptian Vulture in Greece

• Sep 3, 2011

• #7

Jane Turner said:

I'm struggling with EF structure-wise - even though 1st year birds look thicker set - my first reaction was Lanner, build-wise

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My thoughts initially, Lanner.... even now its still odd looking, but will go down as an Eleonora's.
Thanks everyone

ColD

 

tconzemi

Tom

Supporter

• Sep 3, 2011

• #8

Jane Turner said:

Hijacking the thread slightly - what does anyone make of this

http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=284217&d=1284760466

You can't see it in this photo, but the undertail coverts were unmarked, no anchors just streaks on flanks

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looks like a northern type juvenile Peregrine to me
Tom

 

M

Manne

Earnie Mccracken

• Sep 3, 2011

• #9

tconzemi said:

looks like a northern type juvenile Peregrine to me
Tom

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Agree (or Lanner...)

 

halftwo

Wird Batcher

• Sep 3, 2011

• #10

tconzemi said:

P4 moulting is very dark and much longer than juvenile primaries which is typical for Eleonora's, juv. indeed have a completely different wing shape.
Tom

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Looks good for Eleanora's when you consider the new feather - and its leangth.

Jane Turner said:

Hijacking the thread slightly - what does anyone make of this

http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=284217&d=1284760466

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As for that, Jane, it looks like a falconer's hybrid.(Lanner/Gyr??)

 

Jane Turner

Well-known member

• Sep 3, 2011

• #11

It was a small bird that looked whippy-winged and very long tailed in flight most like a long-wined Merlin shape and jizz wise (at sea off here last Sept).

Peregrine is the default solution, but it didn't really seem right.