hannu
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Sumit's suggestion: looks quite different ...
http://www.pbase.com/image/44024816
http://www.pbase.com/image/44024816
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Marsh Reed? (1 Viewer)
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Jane Turner
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Hi Hannu,hannu said:
I may be off the mark with the bird under discussion but I don't think that the bird in your link is a Thick-billed.
I think these two are:
http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/s...D=1757&Bird_Image_ID=8239&Bird_Family_ID=&p=2
and,
http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/s...D=1757&Bird_Image_ID=2433&Bird_Family_ID=&p=4
My own horrible pic of the species is attached. Bad as th epic is, it does show the crest that this species erects - very distinctive and my basis (along with the lack of a distinct supercilium) for the ID suggestion.
Cheers!
sumit
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Ghostly Vision
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I would have thought that the 8 primaries exposed beyond the tertials on this bird indicate that it is a Marsh Warbler.
Other features are a little confusing, as the outer tail feathers could be new growing ones(?). To me, it does have an acro feel.
These things can be very difficult to get to genus, but do think the pp's clinch it. That said, don't like the leg colour for Marsh.....
GV
Other features are a little confusing, as the outer tail feathers could be new growing ones(?). To me, it does have an acro feel.
These things can be very difficult to get to genus, but do think the pp's clinch it. That said, don't like the leg colour for Marsh.....
GV
hannu
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Sumit said:
Yes, you are right ! I'm a little bit confusing these english bird names. I really wondered that photo too and I was too hasty, as I'm always. I must start to count to ten and answer after that ! Thanx, Sumit. This A. aedon has met once in Finland.
Cheers, Hannu
Jane Turner
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More pics of Eastern ollys, showing how like Acrocephalus they can appear.
http://www.birdsoman.com/OlivaceousWarbler23951.jpg
http://www.birdsoman.com/OlivaceousWarbler23951.jpg
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JANJ
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hannu
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According to the follow link and If I understand right the id article, EOW has conspicuous white on the outer tail featherS. There is also photo from tail !
http://www.portlandbirdobs.btinternet.co.uk/bi_hippolais_elaeica.htm
The Alsirhan's 4th photo shows us that bird's outer tail feather (6tf) has broken,..(?)
Also Alsirhan's bird has quite broad supercilium, more broaden than it should be as Hippo.
Birds looks quite confusing in this time of year and also the intensive light misinterpret probably the contrast of plumage. I'd vote for Marsh,
though I'm not 100 % sure.
http://www.portlandbirdobs.btinternet.co.uk/bi_hippolais_elaeica.htm
The Alsirhan's 4th photo shows us that bird's outer tail feather (6tf) has broken,..(?)
Also Alsirhan's bird has quite broad supercilium, more broaden than it should be as Hippo.
Birds looks quite confusing in this time of year and also the intensive light misinterpret probably the contrast of plumage. I'd vote for Marsh,
though I'm not 100 % sure.
Jane Turner
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Hannu - the outer t/f is broken and the tertials are worn. Despite this there are very pale tertial edges and in the last picture more than a hint of a hippolais secondary panel. The ID of southern and eastern races is hard - they are more sandy, longer-winged and smaller-billed than the birds we are used to in Europe.
hannu
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Latest Jane's attached Hippo photo show us clearly that Hippo has slightly shorter inner tail feathers than outer tail feathers. Also my mentioned bird in Portland has this kind of feature. According to what I have heard, this feature is very good in many cases. Also this is in the bird of message #11.
Indeed It's difficult to say about Alsirhan's bird, what kind of tail the bird has, rounded or not ?
Indeed It's difficult to say about Alsirhan's bird, what kind of tail the bird has, rounded or not ?
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JANJ
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To add to the confusing, I´d say that the dark tail in the bird in #11 and the fact that it seems the emargination of the primaries falls aprox.at level with the longest tertial, which if, would rule out March and Reed, but not Blyth´s and elaeica, and languida for that matter. That darkish tail makes me think of languida. And what about the spacing of the three tertials, the middle closer to the outer than to the inner. The inner tertial are rather worn though, but wouldn´t account for the difference shown here, or would it?
What do you say hannu?
And think 10 seconds now before you move
JanJ
What do you say hannu?
And think 10 seconds now before you move
JanJ
hannu
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JANJ said:To add to the confusing, I´d say that the dark tail in the bird in #11 and the fact that it seems the emargination of the primaries falls aprox.at level with the longest tertial, which if, would rule out March and Reed, but not Blyth´s and elaeica, and languida for that matter. That darkish tail makes me think of languida. And what about the spacing of the three tertials, the middle closer to the outer than to the inner. The inner tertial are rather worn though, but wouldn´t account for the difference shown here, or would it?
What do you say hannu?
And think 10 seconds now before you move
JanJ
Jan, I'd say only that I respect the Alsirhan's wish in #13 !!! :brains:
hannu
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Hippo seems to be also quite uniform colour in plumage and bill is mainly very sharp.
Also we can see the tail feature in the bird on follow link (EOW).
That individual has minimal or non-existing supercilium, not big contrast between supercilium and forehead. It really remind very much Blyth's and in my mind, it reminds sometimes also Phyllos in certain view :
http://www.fugler.no/bilder/spesial/20040912.htm
Also we can see the tail feature in the bird on follow link (EOW).
That individual has minimal or non-existing supercilium, not big contrast between supercilium and forehead. It really remind very much Blyth's and in my mind, it reminds sometimes also Phyllos in certain view :
http://www.fugler.no/bilder/spesial/20040912.htm
Klant said:
I have noticed this before.. I think it is the background that has same colour that intervenes with the colour of the bird (there are some feathers on the base of the bill that disappear with background). One of major disadvantage with digital pictures is the contrast with background, the background and any pale details seems to be lost in flare (a problem with digital cameras).
Here is another picture that show the bill intact. See the feathering on bill!
Alsirhan.
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hannu
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Alsirhan,
do you have any photo where the tail of bird was better on view ?
I'll try really to clear up this 'mystery', so it helps, if we can rule out Hippo or Acro-species definitely and conclusively?
Thanx Alsirhan, that you share very interesting cases to us in the BirdForum !
In this way I can improve my id skills !
do you have any photo where the tail of bird was better on view ?
I'll try really to clear up this 'mystery', so it helps, if we can rule out Hippo or Acro-species definitely and conclusively?
Thanx Alsirhan, that you share very interesting cases to us in the BirdForum !
In this way I can improve my id skills !
