JANJ
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valley boy said:if this is a marsh harrier , doesnt the colour of the iris turn from brown(juvenile) to yellow?
See post # 54.
JanJ
valley boy said:if this is a marsh harrier , doesnt the colour of the iris turn from brown(juvenile) to yellow?
oops, :eek!: too busy looking at pics linked to your postJANJ said:See post # 54.
JanJ
Real Grosser on my list said:If you look at the close up shot posted earlier, you can see that the wear is extensive throughout all the secondaries and the inner primaries.
You MUST find other examples which show that wear of this nature can occur in a fresh juvenile. Go look at shots on Surfbirds and even posted here of juv Marsh and you'll see how fresh they all look. Without backing up this claim with examples, reference to text or other birds seen in the field it becomes worthless. Sorry.
Real Grosser on my list said:My thinking is that this is an escaped bird which explains why it hasn't begun remex moult. I can provide many examples of birds in mid-late summer in remex moult if necessary that back this up. Revisit the Monties Harrier thread in Northern Ireland where plenty of pics of moulting birds were posted.
Have a look at the Red Foot shot I posted on this tread earlier which shows the effects of long term wear similar to that of the Benacre BOP.
Real Grosser on my list said:Someone send this to Forsman........
Chris Benesh said:Andy,
We can all agree to disagree, but there is no need to be disrespectful of the viewpoints of others.
Chris
Real Grosser on my list said:But as the darker feathers are also as worn on the Benacre bird, it shows that there isn't any differentiation evident now.
Real Grosser on my list said:Most of the secondaries (pic 1) are perfectly normal, ie dark. This bird hasn't moulted for over a year and I tink I'm right in saying that they usually moult all their remiges so they should be same generation.
Real Grosser on my list said:I agree and I'm sorry to have upset you. I just find it frustrating when a view point, mine or otherwise, is dismissed on a whim without credible evidence.
Real Grosser on my list said:Most of the secondaries (pic 1) are perfectly normal, ie dark.
Chris Benesh said:Circus-type facial crescent
Hey Pianoman,pianoman said:Aha, at least now I know the correct terminology :t:
Jane Turner said:I love a challenge! This is the best I have found so far.
Real Grosser on my list said:Hi all,
I didn't get the chance to look at this bird much over the weekend but I will concede that there is more white in the secondaries than I first thought.
However, I did look at 200+ images of medium to large juvenile BOPs and in September to November they all look immaculate.
I am so convinced that this bird isn't a juvenile that I'll twitch my next British lifer dressed as a banana if images can be found and posted here of medium to large sized juvenile BOPs that prove otherwise......
Cheers,
Andy.
Real Grosser on my list said:I am so convinced that this bird isn't a juvenile that I'll twitch my next British lifer dressed as a banana if images can be found and posted here of medium to large sized juvenile BOPs that prove otherwise.......
Jane Turner said:You know that is almost worth the effort involved! Would you be taking pictures of said event if I was to find one?
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