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Old Thursday 5th August 2010, 21:39   #9426
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... raven as a county tick? I premuse if some birds wintered you would expect the news to be put out? Raven is not a rare breeder.
Raven may not be a rare breeder elsewhere but it would be in Norfolk... and one which would attract a lot of attention, much of it detrimental to the bird's welfare... which I would hope is rather more important than whether it's a county tick.
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Old Thursday 5th August 2010, 22:22   #9427
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is this the first juvie autumn Wheatear hoping about around the grounded boat along the creek at Blakeney? oh yeah so it is - cuckoo too
Sorry - one on the beach behind Cley North Hide on Monday! (I'd forgotten until I read this!)

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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 05:00   #9428
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Sorry - one on the beach behind Cley North Hide on Monday! (I'd forgotten until I read this!)

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Yet more apologies - one recorded on Friday 31st July at Cley on shingle ridge between end of East Bank and North Hide in morning at about 0700.

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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 13:02   #9429
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Raven may not be a rare breeder elsewhere but it would be in Norfolk... and one which would attract a lot of attention, much of it detrimental to the bird's welfare... which I would hope is rather more important than whether it's a county tick.
Do not agree Irene. Birders would show interest in seeing Raven(s) in Norfolk. Once the birds had been seen, I would suspect that interest would dwindle. Further, if breeding or suspected breeding was considered, then the pager services would stop putting out information. Once again we will agree to disagree.
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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 18:20   #9430
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But you are missing the point Black Kite. Ravens will be likely to breed close or within their wintering area. Once the information is out any egger will know where to look for the nest. Its true there are plenty of ravens across the country , but these will be very attractive to eggers who like to have sample clutches from every county in the country. If anyone is that keen to see ravens there are plenty in the Westcountry. The risk just so someone can have a tick is just not worth it. If all goes well and they spread in the future you may be able to garden tick them , but for now other than those who are keeping an eye on the birds there is no need for anyone else to have the information of their location.

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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 19:40   #9431
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Good news / bad news

A morning at Cley today. The pager recorded the Hooded Crow as present but 'unwell'. When we eventually spotted it, it was the most active corvid in the field.

Then along to North Hide and there was the adult Crane and this was an adult lacking the bottom part of its left leg.

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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 20:06   #9432
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The pager recorded the Hooded Crow as present but 'unwell'. When we eventually spotted it, it was the most active corvid in the field.
Were all the other corvids already dead then?
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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 20:30   #9433
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But you are missing the point Black Kite. Ravens will be likely to breed close or within their wintering area. Once the information is out any egger will know where to look for the nest. Its true there are plenty of ravens across the country , but these will be very attractive to eggers who like to have sample clutches from every county in the country. If anyone is that keen to see ravens there are plenty in the Westcountry. The risk just so someone can have a tick is just not worth it. If all goes well and they spread in the future you may be able to garden tick them , but for now other than those who are keeping an eye on the birds there is no need for anyone else to have the information of their location.
No tideliner. I think u are missing the point! all information re breeding birds (including ravens) will be public via the bird report. Rumours also go round grapevines and info will come to the attention of eggers. The idea that all info re scarce vistors or potential breeders must always be treated as top secret (if i tell u i will have to kill u!) is misguided and a bit anal! Info has got out re breeding purple heron and little bittern. No harm has been caused and birders have gone away happy. Each situation needs to be looked at on a case by case basis!
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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 20:43   #9434
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all information re breeding birds (including ravens) will be public via the bird report
Public knowlegde that they have bred yes, but I would expect any breeding records, at the very least, will be published without the location. As for the Somerset Little Bitterns, no harm in the end but some rather undesireable behaviour did have local birders fuming and could have been damaging....
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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 21:10   #9435
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Public knowlegde that they have bred yes, but I would expect any breeding records, at the very least, will be published without the location. As for the Somerset Little Bitterns, no harm in the end but some rather undesireable behaviour did have local birders fuming and could have been damaging....
Agreed connor. There will always be idiots - the majority have large camera lens. Good reason to keep quiet about the dusky u find this october at holme eh!
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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 21:21   #9436
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HBs - Swanton Novers

Hi folks,

Have there been any recent sightings of HBs at Swanton Novers (or Great Ryburgh)? I haven't seen anything on the news services for a while.

As I have a few days camping with the family in N Norfolk (clever eh?) I thought I would make my annual pilgramage to stand in a field for a couple of hours and not see any Honey Buzzards

I wouldn't want to spoil the running joke by actually seeing one, so if anyone could confirm they are not around that would be appreciated
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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 21:30   #9437
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Agreed connor. There will always be idiots - the majority have large camera lens. Good reason to keep quiet about the dusky u find this october at holme eh!
why r u poking your nose into stuff in & about norfolk , don't u have your own patch , or r u jealous off what great birds & sites we have here , or is yours so drab ,
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Good reason to keep quiet about the dusky u find this october at holme eh!
Don't worry Mark, some will get the call
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[quote=Connor Rand;1894539]Don't worry Mark, some will get the call [/QUOTE
Yes connor. I know who u will phone! U due to find something good! Regards. Mark.
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Old Friday 6th August 2010, 22:07   #9440
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Still being seen at the end of July, although Tideliner can probably give you an update

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Have there been any recent sightings of HBs at Swanton Novers (or Great Ryburgh)? I haven't seen anything on the news services for a while.
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Without being a killjoy, I think we may have done the breeding bird thing to death.

No-one should publicise sites for breeding birds that are a) Nationally rare, b) rare at county level or c) sensitive to disturbance. Bird reports disclose locations on a case-by-case basis, but as they come out a year later it is possible to determine whether the birds have returned, and how much information is in the public domain at that point.

In the case of the possible breeding of Hoopoe and Raven the information that they may have bred is provocative but as no sites were revealed no harm has been done.

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Old Saturday 7th August 2010, 07:33   #9441
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Hoopoe breeding site revealed !

Just to the left of the pic.

I agree with James: let's leave this alone, now, or the mods might close the thread- then what would we do ? I predict BIRDS in the very near future.

I bet that people have already been searching for potential Raven sites. They shouldn't !

The Crane at Cley reminded me of Peter Sellers and Dudley Moore (perhaps 'Less', in this case): it's even a "unidexter". If someone was able to catch it, I'm sure we'd stump up for an artifical leg.
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Old Saturday 7th August 2010, 09:20   #9442
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The Crane at Cley reminded me of Peter Sellers and Dudley Moore (perhaps 'Less', in this case): it's even a "unidexter".
At the risk of appearing pedantic, I think you are referring to the mighty Peter Cooke. A brilliant sketch.

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Old Saturday 7th August 2010, 09:37   #9443
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Have there been any recent sightings of HBs at Swanton Novers (or Great Ryburgh)? I haven't seen anything on the news services for a while.

As I have a few days camping with the family in N Norfolk (clever eh?) I thought I would make my annual pilgramage to stand in a field for a couple of hours and not see any Honey Buzzards

I wouldn't want to spoil the running joke by actually seeing one, so if anyone could confirm they are not around that would be appreciated
I have stood in that very field, with equally amusing results.

There is also the uplifting experience of meeting other pilgrims, I met some travelling from Scotland on their way to Lakenheath, some from Yorkshire to Minsmere.
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The Crane at Cley reminded me of Peter Sellers and Dudley Moore (perhaps 'Less', in this case): it's even a "unidexter". If someone was able to catch it, I'm sure we'd stump up for an artifical leg.
The picture below shows the shortened left leg. If this was a major rarity we could discuss the "possible escape" theory - leg irons commonly used to tether cranes, etc.

I'm still confused as to why a healthy Hooded Crow was labelled 'unwell' on the pager but the one and half legged Crane passes without comment.

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Titchwell Coastal Project Update

Amazingly, 2 weeks have gone by already so I thought I would let you know what progress we have made.

In a word...loads!!
Our current focus is on getting the west bank constructed and access opened as soon as we can. The west bank has been stripped backto a level base and we are now bringing the stored clay in to widen and raise the bank. This is going very well and as long as the weather is in our favour (dry), we are still on schedule.
Work on the freshmarsh improvements goes well. Most of the encroaching reed alongside the west bank has been removed, existing islands re-profiled and a wet feature infront of the new Parrinder Hide site, designed to bring waders closer to the hide in the autumn, has been finished.

Photo 1 - looking south, from the grazing meadow pool, towards the Meadow Trail junction in the distance.
Photo 2 - 30 ton dumper + digger working on the west bank.
Photo 3 - looking north along the west bank. The 1st digger is working at the 'hump' overlooking the reedbed pool. The 2nd digger is by Island Hide.
Photo 4 - Reed removal

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Wow,
Cheers for posting the Pics Paul, good to get an idea of whats going on there. As you say looks like they have made a quick change to the site. Hope it all goes well and works to plan. Are there still birds using the site? I imagine the majority of works is being done by diggers etc so 'real' human disturbance may be lower than expected...or am I wrong?
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Quick drop in to Swanton Novers at midday revealed a "mewing" common buzzrad flying south - nothing on the sighting board as to HBs.
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Sorry for non birding subject. Water Voles are showing well from the bridge between the Cley visitor center and the hide complex.

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No tideliner. I think u are missing the point! all information re breeding birds (including ravens) will be public via the bird report. Rumours also go round grapevines and info will come to the attention of eggers. The idea that all info re scarce vistors or potential breeders must always be treated as top secret (if i tell u i will have to kill u!) is misguided and a bit anal! Info has got out re breeding purple heron and little bittern. No harm has been caused and birders have gone away happy. Each situation needs to be looked at on a case by case basis!
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Considering you don't live in Norfolk you spend a lot of time on that thread and most of you posts end up slagging the birders from the county or have a negative slant. Did someone upset you once and you just can't forgive em.
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Considering you don't live in Norfolk you spend a lot of time on that thread and most of you posts end up slagging the birders from the county or have a negative slant. Did someone upset you once and you just can't forgive em.
Come on, guys and gals - let's give this a rest now.

This thread has always been good-natured, and disagreements have usually been aired with a good measure of courtesy. Let's keep it that way!
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