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Old Tuesday 12th September 2017, 09:47   #1
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ID stuffed parrot

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Bit of a random one. I know this section is for IDs of wild birds, but where can I get a 100 year old stuffed parrot identified?!
Don't want to breach rules so I'll wait to get the go-ahead before posting...
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Old Tuesday 12th September 2017, 10:14   #2
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Hi all,
Bit of a random one. I know this section is for IDs of wild birds, but where can I get a 100 year old stuffed parrot identified?!
Don't want to breach rules so I'll wait to get the go-ahead before posting...
Try the infromation wanted section unless the mods are ok with it here. I don't think there's much difference with posting a shot of a dead bird that their cat killed or that they hit with a car which people do?

It's people who take shots when they go and view captive collections then post them here that gets my goat and it's not rigourosly enough moderated IMO.


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Old Tuesday 12th September 2017, 13:55   #3
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Thanks, I'll wait for some more responses before posting.
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Old Tuesday 12th September 2017, 14:27   #4
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Thanks, I'll wait for some more responses before posting.
I think it should be ok, post it and I'll take the blame...


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Old Tuesday 12th September 2017, 14:48   #5
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Ok, probably something really boring and common anyway but here you go
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Old Tuesday 12th September 2017, 16:32   #7
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Looks like a type of Amazona parrot, maybe yellow-shouldered amazon?
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Can i just say ..That for a 100 years dead he looks really happy... Was it his birthday that day or something
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Looks like a type of Amazona parrot, maybe yellow-shouldered amazon?

I'd go for Orange-winged Amazon Amazona amazonica




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Old Tuesday 12th September 2017, 18:43   #10
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Orange-winged or Turquoise-fronted from what I can see. Will have to take a look to see how separable they are on a perhaps faded specimen.
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Can i just say ..That for a 100 years dead he looks really happy...
I agree.

Made my day, at last a stuffed parrot on Birdforum....and a really nice one too
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Doesn't look like a Norwegian Blue though??
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I agree.

Made my day, at last a stuffed parrot on Birdforum....and a really nice one too

Indeed, and, except for the colour, it does look rather like this Norwegian Blue, in the general pose and jizz:

http://youtu.be/npjOSLCR2hE

Only, personally I'd have pulled the tail a few centimeters further off the body.

After all it is quite a long tailed species, isn't it?

https://www.google.dk/search?q=amazo...Isxawuc43fkCM:

Peter the stuffer.

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Doesn't look like a Norwegian Blue though??
pining for the fjords perhaps?
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Blue-fronted Amazon Parrot to me.. Looks like the blue on the front of the head has faded over the years, and the red on the wings (usually bright red).. These were probably the most commonly kept Amazon Parrot as a pet.. A proper Treasure Island Long-John Silver Parrot...
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Blue-fronted Amazon Parrot to me.. Looks like the blue on the front of the head has faded over the years, and the red on the wings (usually bright red).. These were probably the most commonly kept Amazon Parrot as a pet.. A proper Treasure Island Long-John Silver Parrot...
Very likely.

Shall we look at how that species ideally should look were it "stuffed" ?

https://www.google.dk/search?q=blue+...s3VSt3pr6LMzM:
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Blue-fronted Amazon Parrot to me.. Looks like the blue on the front of the head has faded over the years, and the red on the wings (usually bright red).. These were probably the most commonly kept Amazon Parrot as a pet.. A proper Treasure Island Long-John Silver Parrot...
Wouldn't we expect to see at least a hint of yellow on the bend of the wing?


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Great, thanks very much everyone!
Its always good to have an opportunity to get dead parrot jokes in.
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Wouldn't we expect to see at least a hint of yellow on the bend of the wing?


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Usually yes.. but you do see individuals with virtually none.. It's the bronze on its upper back which I find interesting... Baring in mind the age of this bird it may well be a colour morph which no longer exists.. Has quite a long tail too...
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Usually yes.. but you do see individuals with virtually none.. It's the bronze on its upper back which I find interesting... Baring in mind the age of this bird it may well be a colour morph which no longer exists.. Has quite a long tail too...
Blue (turquoise) fronted was my first thought too, but some things didn't fit. There again, it is a very old specimen.

Of course, as it's likely that this was someone's pet, it's entirely possible that it's a hybrid.
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Of course, as it's likely that this was someone's pet, it's entirely possible that it's a hybrid.
They weren't breeding these in captivity 100 years ago.. At least there's no record I've heard of... Although the Victorians did loved their aviculture.. A hybrid would more likely be wild.. a colour morph would be a better bet..
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They weren't breeding these in captivity 100 years ago.. At least there's no record I've heard of... Although the Victorians did loved their aviculture.. A hybrid would more likely be wild.. a colour morph would be a better bet..
I was about to query whether hybridisation had become a fad as early as that.



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Amazon parrots were brought back to Europe by Columbus. Stick two different birds in a cage and you may get hybrids whether you want them or not.

Just a thought anyway.
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Amazon parrots were brought back to Europe by Columbus. Stick two different birds in a cage and you may get hybrids whether you want them or not.

Just a thought anyway.
Wild caught Amazon Parrots were so abundantly in captivity no one ever bothered trying to breed them until the 1960's/70's when legislation was introduced which eventually led to a ban on the import of wild birds.. Only then aviculturists bothered to learn the complex techniques for breeding them.. (same with birds of prey).. Interestingly some people do breed them in Parrot cages and use A.I. with prolific egg laying females.. But the eggs are hatched in incubators and the chicks hand reared.. Even if a 100 years they managed to produce viable eggs in a cage it would be unlikely a bird could hatch them and rear them given the lack of knowledge and appropriate food needed to rear a parrot..
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Apparently this fella was brought back from South America in the 1890s, it then died in 1930. Don't know any more than that.
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