Sparrowhawk (1 Viewer)

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albatross02

Well-known member

• Oct 17, 2005

• #1

Hi,

I saw this bird in north of Nauen on the way to Linum.
I suppose Sparrowhawk.

Best regards
Dieter

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London Birder

Well-known member

• Oct 17, 2005

• #2

photo a bit small on my comp but looks like as falcon as opposed to a hawk ie Kestrel

 

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aikidoka

Well-known member

• Oct 17, 2005

• #3

I'd say it was a Kestrel - Falco tinnunculus.

 

Tim P

Well-known member

• Oct 17, 2005

• #4

Male Kestrel for me on my VDU certainly big enough with the right colours in the right places.

 

Keith Reeder

Watch the birdie...

• Oct 17, 2005

• #5

Kestrel for me too.

 

Amsel

Member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #6

This is surly not a Kestrel (Upperparts dark brownish, not orange-brown, tail too short with no black terminal band, white cheeks,...)! Everything points towards 1st year Peregrine (although size is difficult to asess; a Merlin should show e.g. a weaker moustachial stripe and darker cheeks).

Greets
Tom

 

The Raptor

Bristol City's No.1 Fan!

• Oct 18, 2005

• #7

I think it looks like a male sparrowhawk but not hundred percent sure.

 

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James Lowther

Well-known member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #8

Gotta say male kestrel looks fine to me - grey cap and rusty roned brown back are pretty clear on my monitor

 

Joern Lehmhus

Well-known member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #9

Grey head clearly differentiated from a rusty brown back also on my monitor, also a typical Falco shape, therefore Falco tinnunculus, Kestrel.

Compared to the bush it sits in, I also get the impression it is not a big bird- the bush looks as if it is Sambucus nigra(Elderberry in english I think, Schwarzer Holunder in German)

 

Amsel

Member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #10

The bird shows a clear moustachial stripe - so (abeit other features) no Sparrowhawk! It is much too bulky and compact for a Common Kestrel (this species shows a much longer tail
Compare this Kestrel
http://www.waarneming.nl/fotos/204809.1.jpg

with this

Peregrine (sadly there is an adult bird depicted)
http://www.pbase.com/arieouwerkerk/image/47825416

and our bird in the forum!
Head is same colour (or even darker) than back in Peregrine well shown in Dieters picture! Juvenile Peregrines show a warmer brownish cast on the upperparts (caused by warmer brown fringes to the scapulars, back, mantle, wing coverts) as shown on the pictures of Pekka Komi
http://www.tarsiger.com/index.php

This IS a juvenile Pererine!!!
Greets
Tom

 

saluki

Well-known member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #11

Amsel said:

This IS a juvenile Pererine!!!

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If it is, it's doing a damned fine impersonation of a Kestrel . . .

saluki

 

lou salomon

the birdonist

• Oct 18, 2005

• #12

sorry amsel, kestrel for me too. the tails looks short from this angle, rest is ok, structurally.

 

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smilingRAVEN

New member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #13

albatross02 said:

Hi,

I saw this bird in north of Nauen on the way to Linum.
I suppose Sparrowhawk.

Best regards
Dieter

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No you have taken a picture of a kestrel.

 

Amsel

Member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #14

I have shown Dieters picture to other birders (there are a quite of lot of them here - including Klaus Malling Olsen and people from local rarities committees - they also identified the bird as "a large falcon" or more detailed as Peregrine (maybe of northeastern origin (calidus), because of the large pale area on cheeks and the relatively thin moustachial stripe). There is no orange on the non-patterned upperparts; the upperparts including head are too dark and the head is proportionally thicker as well as the bird in general is too fat for a Kestrel!
SORRY FOR THE KESTREL-LEAGUE - THIS BIRD REMAINS A PEREGRINE!
If you do not believe me please write to Dick Forsman...

Best wishes
Tom

 

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James Lowther

Well-known member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #15

If that's true Tom, then Dick Forsman's guide to raptor ID is off my christmas list.
Albatross02, you have 9 votes for kestrel vs. 1 for peregrine, why don't you make up your own mind.

 

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Edward woodwood

Member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #16

Peregrine

too fat n short tailed fro Kes

wrong colour

I think the branches in front of the bird are fooling people

Tim

 

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening

Supporter

• Oct 18, 2005

• #17

It's not a great picture so maybe it's hard (even for Dick Forsman) to be sure. It 'feels' like a Kestrel to me though. If you don't believe then you can, err, well, do what you like I suppose.

 

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James Lowther

Well-known member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #18

Too reddy-brown backed, grey headed and grey-tailed for a peregrine...
surely?......

 

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Edward woodwood

Member

• Oct 18, 2005

• #19

James Lowther said:

Too reddy-brown backed, grey headed and grey-tailed for a peregrine...
surely?......

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no James

have a good objective look

I'll guarantee that's a Peregrine - the colours are made slightly weird by the branches in front - it's actually a rather dark bird. Way too robust and short tailed. Colours can look weird - structure is pretty much a constant.

Tim

 

StuartReeves

Local rarity

• Oct 18, 2005

• #20

Tim has a point about the apparent brown colouration on the mantle. Once you realise that this comes from the branches not the bird it really changes your perspective. Not sure I've ever seen a Peregrine in a tree though.

Stuart