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Old Thursday 11th November 2010, 19:52   #26
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I'm with everybody else on this. In fact, I’ve even been known to put birds on my yard list that I could have seen from my yard but didn’t because I wasn’t actually in the yard at the time.
Cheating IMO (unless it is seen to enter the property (but fence etc prevents you actually seeing it on your property), or overfly the airspace DIRECTLY above the property.)

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What about dead birds, anyone else count those for their yard lists? Ditto for heard only?
Dead - no - how do you know it was naturally occurring there, or brought in by a predator from outside the 'garden'? (which could of course be unnatural)

(But I guess if the property is large enough you could count dead ones for the list though ...)

Heard - yes, as it is one of the 5 senses we use to id things - why should sight have precedence, since the bird clearly was in the vicinity?
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Old Thursday 11th November 2010, 20:05   #27
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I nearly had to do this with a Red-legged Partridge I spotted as I walked down the street but I sprinted back to the house in order to look back at it over the garden fence!

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That sounds like that game we played in our street as kids Graham, called different things in different parts of the country, where you run back to touch the lamp post etc... I did the same for flyover Yellow Wags once meself

yep, same garden tick rules for me too.
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Old Thursday 11th November 2010, 21:37   #28
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Cheating IMO (unless it is seen to enter the property (but fence etc prevents you actually seeing it on your property), or overfly the airspace DIRECTLY above the property.)

Dead - no - how do you know it was naturally occurring there, or brought in by a predator from outside the 'garden'? (which could of course be unnatural)

(But I guess if the property is large enough you could count dead ones for the list though ...)
The dead birds on my yard list were very unlikely to have been brought in by a predator & even if they had I would still be inclined to count them since they ended up in the yard by more or less natural means. My yard, BTW, is quite small, less than a quarter-acre.

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Heard - yes, as it is one of the 5 senses we use to id things - why should sight have precedence, since the bird clearly was in the vicinity?
By “in the vicinity” I take it you mean “in the garden”. Or are you proposing a different standard for “heard” as opposed to visual “sightings” which you’ve just said have to be actually in the garden (or in the air space directly above it) to be countable?

But, once again, there’s no reason everybody has to follow the same rules.
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Old Friday 12th November 2010, 18:02   #29
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Hmmm I've been counting my garden list ha ha !! I'll risk the shame and I'll write it out for all to see. Firstly to James I live in Pencoed which is just outside Bridgend in Mid Glamorgan. Secondly to Joanne, I do have a Nikon scope, but, as my garden is overlooked on all sides, I feel a bit awkward using it at home as the houses behind me are in another street, and. as such, I dont know the occupants and wouldn't want them to think I was a peeping tom :-( I overlook my estate though as my street is slightly elevated above the rest so I could have a few ticks if I did use it. Actually has anyone got into trouble using their scope in the garden ??
Right to the list, no flyovers ( as of yet ), all have actually landed in my garden
1- House Sparrow,
2 - Starling,
3 - Robin,
4 - Blackbird,
5 - Song Thrush,
6 - Magpie,
7 - Jackdaw
8 - Chaffinch,
9 - Greenfinch
10 - Goldfinch
11 - Blue Tit,
12 - Great Tit,
13 - Long Tailed Tit,
14 - Coal Tit,
15 - Treecreeper,
16 - Collard Dove,
17 - Carrion Crow,
18 - Sparrowhawk,
19 - Swallow,
20 - House martin,
21 - Pied Wagtail,
22 - Chiff Chaff
23 - Woodpigeon
24 - Errrrr Thats all I can positively think of off the top of my head thats landed within my property. I've seen Buzzard regularly overhead, heard a Great Spotted Woodpecker drumming along with a Green Woodpeckers yaffle. I haven't included any Gulls or other things for now which haven't actually landed !!
Thats even more rubbish than I thought it was going to be :-(
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Old Friday 12th November 2010, 18:12   #30
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My garden list is a paltry 38 in over 4 years. It does include Indian Pitta, but I didn't see that myself
Ouch! What a grip! I wouldn't invite them back and leave them home alone again if I were you.

I'm still amazed at the frequency I'm adding new species to my garden list. I was looking at the rate I've added new species and it makes for interesting reading -
Nov-Dec 2002 = 50
2003 = 42
2004 = 11
2005 = 12
2006 = 6
2007 = 3
2008 = 2
2009 = 4
2010 = 3 (so far!)

I don't have any 'expected' species missing from my list. Long-eared Owl is probably the most annoying since it breeds within a mile of the house and I've seen it on the fen on occasions at dusk. Yellow-legged Gull must be another that flies over among the hundreds of gulls each evening to roost, but I've never picked one out yet.

Another oddity is escapes. I've recoded three species, but amazingly I've had Sudan Golden Sparrow twice! Cracking birds!
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Old Friday 12th November 2010, 19:19   #31
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Long-eared Owl is probably the most annoying since it breeds within a mile of the house and I've seen it on the fen on occasions at dusk.!
Surely if it breeds within a mile you could hear it now and again? It's a very distinctive sound and would carry for some distance, no?............I'd love to be able to add LEO to my garden list!!
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Old Monday 15th November 2010, 11:12   #32
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Surely if it breeds within a mile you could hear it now and again? It's a very distinctive sound and would carry for some distance, no?............I'd love to be able to add LEO to my garden list!!
Yes, I'm very familiar with LEO calls (both male, female and young - I've probably got min. 6+ prs within 5 miles of me which I get to see/hear often enough) but try as I might, I've never been able to hear them across the fen.
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160 for me - but I do overlook an estuary. Like Steve we've been there since November 2002.
Yearlists are typically 120 plus (max 127). Currently on 122 this year. Only one addition to the list this year - black tern (after white-winged black!).

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Old Monday 15th November 2010, 12:22   #34
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For those who only count the confines of the garden why not join th eBTO@ Garden birdwatch scheme

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Old Monday 15th November 2010, 12:27   #35
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My criteria for my garden list is that I must have seen it from the property (in doors or out). In other houses I have been in I have been meticulous about the garden borders but ultimately I found it to frustrating and limiting. To that end I have a more relaxed attitude to my garden list. I count scope views and would count a bird if I heard it but didn’t see it. That hasn’t happened yet for me though. I don’t count birds that others have seen as it’s a personal list. I don’t count birds I see from up the road that I may have seen if I had been in the garden or flyovers when I wasn’t home. I lost a golden eagle like that a couple of years ago but never mind!. I think dead birds are quite dubious and wouldn’t count one if I found it. Some mega might well change that attitude though!! At the end of the day though its just a bit of interesting fun for me. I am not a fanatical or even competitive lister, I am not even a particularly good birder truth be told!!. Its just about the enjoyment of the birds and the crack. If I see a new one I whack it on the blog garden list with a happy smile…job done!
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For others interested in Cambs garden lists look here for a slightly out of date list of some of the top Cambs garden listers. My garden list on here hasn't been updated since I originally submitted it in 2006 (note to self!). Note that Richard Porter in No. 1 spot hasn't lived in the county for some years yet his Grafham Water-based garden total still seems untouchable! Has any other inland garden lister got so many seabirds on their garden list!
Wow, that is out of date. Mine's now on 105 with Fulmar and Cattle Egret among those added since but no additions so far this year.

My rules are in line with the majority here.
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Wow, that is out of date. Mine's now on 105 with Fulmar and Cattle Egret among those added since but no additions so far this year.

My rules are in line with the majority here.
I thought you'd be over 100 by now Brian (and congrats!). Some lists have been updated (the page is dated August 2010), but it would be nice to get them all updated.
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Old Monday 15th November 2010, 17:47   #38
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Have been keeping a list of all the birds that have either fed from the peanut and seed feeders or have landed in the garden since I started bird watching just over a year ago now.
I only keep a list for my own records just as away to keep track as to which birds frequent our garden.
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Have been keeping a list of all the birds that have either fed from the peanut and seed feeders or have landed in the garden since I started bird watching just over a year ago now.
I only keep a list for my own records just as away to keep track as to which birds frequent our garden.
Care to share since I bared all so to speak
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Good Evening h14nha

As requested.....

1.Collard Dove
2.Magpie
3.Wood Pigeon
4.Jackdaw
5.Crow
6.Black Bird
7.Starling
8.Blue Tit
9.Great Tit
10.Hedge Sparrow
11.Dunnock
12.Siskin
13.Chaffinch
14.Greenfinch
15.Goldfinch
16.Redwing
17.Thrush
18.Blackcap
19.Robin
20.Grey Wagtail
21.Wren
22.Greater Spotted Woodpecker (Male)
23.Greater Spotted Woodpecker (Female)
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24.Coal Tit
25.Heron (Landed on Shed Roof )

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In other houses I have been in I have been meticulous about the garden borders but ultimately I found it to frustrating and limiting. To that end I have a more relaxed attitude to my garden list.
I think this cuts to the essence of garden listing. The way I see it; the list should serve the birding you like to do, rather than the birding you do serving the list, if that makes sense!

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I'm with everybody else on this. In fact, I’ve even been known to put birds on my yard list that I could have seen from my yard but didn’t because I wasn’t actually in the yard at the time.
I thought of doing that the other day when a Gyr Falcon flew over my car about 100 metres from home - if I had been at home and had craned my neck I might have seen it from the driveway. But it's not on the list yet.
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I think this cuts to the essence of garden listing. The way I see it; the list should serve the birding you like to do, rather than the birding you do serving the list, if that makes sense!

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I think so James, its just about enjoying your garden and a bit of fun.....i dont need Lee Evans on my back telling me i didnt see a blackcap
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I can understand the reasons for adding dead birds to garden lists - just in the same way they could be added to other geographical lists. In one place that I used to live, a dead kittiwake appeared overnight during a storm so seemed reasonable to assume it was a wrecked bird. That garden list also has black redstart - seen and photographed by my parents. (Just as well they photographed it, eh ...)

So these birds are on the garden list, but not on my garden list, if that makes sense...

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New garden species this morning, landed on my fence, briefly then flew off into the trees before I could get my camera :(
24 - Bullfinch ( male )
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25 - a Jay this morning, pinching buried acorns the squirrel had stashed away. I'm still only counting birds which have actually landed within my bounderies ( just the rear of my property as we live out the back of our house ) which is only approx 40 foot square.
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Just saw a Jay fly up into the trees from my lawn where he was probably burying his acorn stash. I remembered this thread ( I haven't been on BF for quite sometime ). Shame I've already listed one, but I did have a Tawny Owl calling a few weeks back but as my list is a 'landed list' I haven't added it.

Still stuck on 25........... Lots of these yard lions around here which probably does't help me !!
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26. Just remembered a female Blackcap a few months back, still pretty meagre though...........
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Why not join in the annual Garden list thread next year? It's not a competition (well, friendly rivalry for some!) and always interesting to see how the seasons bring different species through or over people's gardens around the world.
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Why not join in the annual Garden list thread next year? It's not a competition (well, friendly rivalry for some!) and always interesting to see how the seasons bring different species through or over people's gardens around the world.
We have another house, it has a very very small garden, about 6m long by 4m wide. The birds we get in there, is amazing for its size. Backing onto a stream very close to farmland it's alive with birds and hard to keep the feeders full. Typically, 1330 and the feeders are empty
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