Dave Williams
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Enlighten me ! I'm always keen to learn.
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Enlighten me ! I'm always keen to learn.
fogboundturtle
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ffs, you don't need an 8000$ camera to do BIF. I used to do it with an T2i and a 100-400L. Yes, you keeper rate will be higher but its more technique than tool.
Dave Williams
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So what was the rationale behind you buying a 5D3, and where, if anywhere do you find it lacking ?
Dave Williams
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Ooops, of course you told us the rationale for buying one of Canon's most expensive offerings. It performs better.
And the 1DX performs better still it seems, and so it should, it costs more.
I haven't used a 5D3 for BIF but I can tell you that the 1DX is markedly better than the 1D4 for this type of photography. Many users tell me that they prefer the 1D4 to the 5D3 for BIF - but I have no personal experience.
One of the files I sent to Dave was of a Bittern in flight, unfortunately I was expecting the bird to be wading rather than flying so I wasn't set up for it. Still all the frames were in focus - well until the reeds got in the way - even the 1DX ain't that good!
Dave Williams
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You are absolutely right in that as technology advances it becomes more affordable to everyone and that's great. Despite the relative high cost of equipment today it's more affordable than it was when it was first available. I'm probably sat on a computer that has more power than the one NASA had to send man to the moon. The world of professional photography has taken a huge knock when everyone can now take 100 shots instead of 1 in the hope that one comes out right, but the professionals are still there because they have had to up their game to
ne of the reasons they have been able to keep ahead is improved technology and the knowledge of how to use it creatively.There's more to action shots than BIF pictures, most of us can manage to capture straight forward flight shots without too many problems.
From a personal point of view I want to challenge myself to get better results, try to be more creative and if there is something that will help me achieve this end, why not ?
MiguelM
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Well if it lost when reeds got in the way it's because he didn't have the right AF settings
. 5d3 and 1dx can cope with that. They use the same algorithmsDave Williams
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Well if it lost when reeds got in the way it's because he didn't have the right AF settings
I think you miss the point Miguel..the Bittern disappeared in to the reed bed.
Now if a 1D X-ray was available...!!!!!
fogboundturtle
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You are absolutely right in that as technology advances it becomes more affordable to everyone and that's great. Despite the relative high cost of equipment today it's more affordable than it was when it was first available. I'm probably sat on a computer that has more power than the one NASA had to send man to the moon. The world of professional photography has taken a huge knock when everyone can now take 100 shots instead of 1 in the hope that one comes out right, but the professionals are still there because they have had to up their game to
There's more to action shots than BIF pictures, most of us can manage to capture straight forward flight shots without too many problems.
From a personal point of view I want to challenge myself to get better results, try to be more creative and if there is something that will help me achieve this end, why not ?
Owning a Ferrari doesn't you make you a better driver. So people who strive to improve their craft will always be on top of the game. If anything, people are leaving behind their big camera for mirrorless and smartphone. We are the odd one who still like to use, and I am using this term loosely, traditional cameras.
Do you I need 30 FPS and 150 AF point ? Probably not, would I like to have it in my camera ? sure. You ask me why I upgrade to a FF. It's not because I needed it. The reason was I could afford it. Its nice to shot at shooting more than 800 ISO and have no noise. Its a perk. not a need. at least for me.
Dave Williams
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We have found common ground ! I'm 100% with you on that. :t:
fogboundturtle
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We have a miracle !!!!
MiguelM
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Heheh I missed the point
Now, x-ray would be a good feature. But not for birds lol.... I hope Sony is reading to this!
Helios
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The advantages of FF vs a cropped sensor: -
A stop or more in noise performance
Smaller DOF at a given distance and aperture
For bird photography though you want pixel density and fps. Usually most of the FF is cropped away anyway (certainly with me). In an ideal world, I'm sure both the 1DX and D4s would be better birding camera's if they were cropped sensor instead of FF.
Unfortunately camera manufacturers don't make cropped sensor professional camera's anymore. Indeed they've abandoned the semi-pro DX for a long while as well. Hopefully this will change and we'll soon see the 7D mk 2 and the D9300 (D400).
A stop or more in noise performance
Smaller DOF at a given distance and aperture
For bird photography though you want pixel density and fps. Usually most of the FF is cropped away anyway (certainly with me). In an ideal world, I'm sure both the 1DX and D4s would be better birding camera's if they were cropped sensor instead of FF.
Unfortunately camera manufacturers don't make cropped sensor professional camera's anymore. Indeed they've abandoned the semi-pro DX for a long while as well. Hopefully this will change and we'll soon see the 7D mk 2 and the D9300 (D400).
