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New Vortex Razor? (1 Viewer)

WiscTJK

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Browsing Eagle Optics and saw a new Razor HD - single hinge design, right lens diopter, less FOV 388' on 8x42, but only 25 ounces. It also mentions APO optical system - some of you more smart optical people will have to tell me what that means? I am not sure I like the look to much.

http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-razor-hd-8x42-binocular-2
http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-razor-hd-10x42-binocular-2

Aren't the double hinge HD's only a year old. I know SteveC had them but I know he had an issue on the focus.
 
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Browsing Eagle Optics and saw a new Razor HD - single hinge design, right lens diopter, less FOV 388' on 8x42, but only 25 ounces. It also mentions APO optical system - some of you more smart optical people will have to tell me what that means? I am not sure I like the look to much.

http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-razor-hd-8x42-binocular-2
http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-razor-hd-10x42-binocular-2

Aren't the double hinge HD's only a year old. I know SteveC had them but I know he had an issue on the focus.

That is odd, and Eagle Optics should have it right, and after checking their website, they are calling these a "new"
model. This new short single hinge one pictured, looks a lot like the Swaro. HD SLC.
The other Razor HD is open frame and is the clone of the Swaro. EL, and has been for many years.
The Vortex Optics website does not show anything like this new one you've linked, so it seems Eagle has put this out there first.
Very interesting. :smoke:

Jerry
 
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The description sounded just a bit familiar to me...at least the APO part....and the look also seemed familiar. What do you think?

About a 20 foot difference in a field of view.
 

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Browsing Eagle Optics and saw a new Razor HD - single hinge design, right lens diopter, less FOV 388' on 8x42, but only 25 ounces. It also mentions APO optical system - some of you more smart optical people will have to tell me what that means? I am not sure I like the look to much.

http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-razor-hd-8x42-binocular-2
http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-razor-hd-10x42-binocular-2

Aren't the double hinge HD's only a year old. I know SteveC had them but I know he had an issue on the focus.

I wonder if their specs have been confirmed by Eagle Optics?

The 8 x 42 has a FOV of 388' @ 1000 yards which is rather narrow for a $1200.00 binocular; and the 10 x 42 has a FOV of 362' @ 1000 yards and that is very wide for any 10 x 42.

Bob
 
Very interesting... I had the original Razor HD for a few weeks and the position of the strap lucks was nasty. Hopefully they are a bit better now.
It looks like this new bin has a bit less eye relief than before, though.

And the older model was Japanese, I wonder if these aren't anymore.
 
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According to Henry, there is no such animal as an APO birding bin. Only telescopes can achieve true APO status.

For the Vortex Razor, "APO" might mean it has a triplet objective (four elements if you count the focusing lens), with one element ED glass.

The odd thing is that Vortex just came out with the open bridge Razor HD last year, didn't they? A rather short time for a new upgrade.

Minimalist bridges are definitely in fashion. I don't like the two-tone barrels, it looks like they forgot to finish putting the green armoring on.

The eyecups look very wide and are also very deep.

Brock
 
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Yeah I think the Razor HD has only been out a year or so. And the one I had in March was S/N 35 or something like that.

Wide eyecups are good for only one thing, hitting people right in the schnoz. Like me... :-C
 
According to Henry, there is no such animal as an APO birding bin. Only telescopes can achieve true APO status.

For the Vortex Razor, "APO" might mean it has a triplet objective (four elements if you count the focusing lens), with one element ED glass.

The odd thing is that Vortex just came out with the open bridge Razor HD last year, didn't they? A rather short time for a new upgrade.

Minimalist bridges are definitely in fashion. I don't like the two-tone barrels, it looks like they forgot to finish putting the green armoring on.

The eyecups look very wide and are also very deep.

Brock

I used to own an inexpensive Meade binoculars, which also has triplet objective. Is it qualified as APO binoculars too?
 
Browsing Eagle Optics and saw a new Razor HD - single hinge design, right lens diopter, less FOV 388' on 8x42, but only 25 ounces. It also mentions APO optical system - some of you more smart optical people will have to tell me what that means? I am not sure I like the look to much.

http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-razor-hd-8x42-binocular-2
http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-razor-hd-10x42-binocular-2

Aren't the double hinge HD's only a year old. I know SteveC had them but I know he had an issue on the focus.

I did have one and sold it. My issue was with the diopter/focus. The focus knob came off in my habd one day. WHile this is no big deal in and of itself, I was not impressed by the underlying construction of the diopter and focusing arrangements. I thought I took a picture of that, but evidently I did not. Frankly it looked like something I'd expect on a bargain basement sort of arrangement, not a nearly $1,200 binocular. Vortex fixed it as they do with all issues, promptly, no questions asked, quickly, and no hassle. My problem then became one of having no underlying confidence level in the mechanism.

I applaud the new right eye diopter placement. Why people sometimes view this as a negative is beyond me.

All the APO designation probably means is that there is a triplet objective, with one element air spaced from the other two, which are cemented. If one looks at a reasonable definition of what APO is, it is easy to get the idea that this is a good deal as it will appear to offer potential to further correct chromatic abberation. It looks to offer the potential of focusing different wavelengths at the same point. Henry has been referenced in other posts here, and I agree with him. HD glass was simlpy Vortex "Market Speak" now we likely will see "APO" as further "Market Speak".

The Razor HD I had showed more field curvature and pincushion, resulting in a weaker edge that I would have preferred for the nearly $1,200. The centerfield resolution was close enough to alpha level to reduce the discussion to nit picking. If the new Razor improves the edge and enhances the focus reliability then I think Vortex is on the right track.

I would refer everyone to the Hawke Panorama if we are looking for similarity. Or maybe even some sort of hybrid incorporating element sof the Hawke Sapphire ED. However, as I understand from Vortex their Razor line is Japanese. I have no idea if the "new Razor" is still Japanese.

http://www.hawkeoptics.com/binoculars/sapphire-ed.html

http://www.hawkeoptics.com/binoculars/panorama-ed.html

However, external similarities can only go so far and often too much can be made of them.

Now, thinking about this for a bit, it might be that their own Talon HD was close enough to the Razor performance that the Razor sales were suffering. So they really do a neat looking 8x32 Talon, leave the open bridge design to the Talon HD series. Then they ressurrect the Stokes DLS, which design they already had on hand, update the glass and coatings, lengthen it a bit for the "APO" business and have a "new Razor". That looks a lot like the older Stokes.
 
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Steve,

you certainly have soured on the Razor from your initial review (understandable based on your post).

I don't know much about the Stokes DLS, but I found a nice review of it on birdwatcing.com or something like that when I googled it. Yes do they look similar.

I try to support Vortex and Eagle Optics whenever I can as 1. I like their products and warranty and 2. they are local to me, 3. they have great customer service.

I hope they have corrected the construction issues you mention in you post. Did you send them your concerns? If not, I know they browse the forums so hopefully they caught your post.

Thanks,

Todd
 
And also the wrong specs? Eagle Optics had the image of the one on the Vortex website until pretty recently. And, there seems to be no mention of this binocular on the Vortex Optics website yet:

http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-talon-hd-8x32-binocular

I imagine the Vortex Optics website simply hasn't been updated yet in either case.

Hmm, good observation! Interesting, so it seems Eagle Optics is more up to date then Vortex Optics... This is getting very interesting!

And also these on Eagle Optics but not on Vortex Optics (not 8x32 anyway):

http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/vortex/vortex-diamondback-8x32-binocular
 
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Eagle Optics is probably ahead of the curve because Vortex has some original Razor HD left to sell. I also think it will be several weeks to months before the new stuff is ready. That always happens prior to the SHOT show, everybody wants to get their stuff at least out in the minds of potential customers. So, let Eagle Optics deal with marketing advances and let Vortex keep the original stuff in view.

I guess I did sour on the Razor HD. I have not soured (at least I hope not) on Vortex. I have just about always had something from either Eagle Optics (today a 6.5x32 Raven) and from Vortex (the 6.5x32 Fury).

I may be all wet on the Stokes DLS relationship too ;). It may well be something really different. Just looks too similar to me for it to be a coincidence. The Hawke references are probably irrelevant.
 
I have just about always had something from either Eagle Optics (today a 6.5x32 Raven) and from Vortex (the 6.5x32 Fury).

I'll be pitting those very two bins against each other tomorrow. I've had the Rangers long enough to fall in love and the Fury's just showed in the mail about a half hour ago.
 
I'm an EO fan as well (same company as Vortex, Atlas) - fine products and excellent service.

It will be interesting to see how these work out. I like that these are tripod (or monopod) adaptable.
 
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