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lou salomon · Dec 2, 2012

let's see if peter replys here: http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=816

edit: he did :t:

a w-shaped p5 mark, some spiked extentions (bajonetts) on p6,7 and solid dark tertial centers should be looked for, as far as i understand. maybe bajonetts are not as developed in 3rd cycles as in adults.

Qingcol · Dec 2, 2012

lou salomon said:
let's see if peter replys here: http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=816

edit: he did :t:

a w-shaped p5 mark, some spiked extentions (bajonetts) on p6,7 and solid dark tertial centers should be looked for, as far as i understand. maybe bajonetts are not as developed in 3rd cycles as in adults.

Thanks for that Lou! No fun at all if it isn’t tricky! Hopefully I will get another chance to photograph the bird if it stays around, although I would need it coming to bread to get image close-ups like the Netherlands individual. Not at all sure I would agree that the Cornwall 3rd winter is less striking than the Dutch 3rd winter shown!
Colin

Cristian Mihai · Dec 2, 2012

Vadu, November 30th 2012

lou salomon · Dec 2, 2012

wow, two nice birds there, cris.
1st is one of the "incomplete 5-ers" (p5 mark doesn't extend on both webs) cachinnans
2nd should be a 2cy michahellis! but what a white underside!

lou salomon · Dec 5, 2012

common gull: http://www.tarsiger.com/gallery/index.php?pic_id=kunsa1354714191&lang=eng with leucism on outer primaries 5,7,8,9,10 (6 not!):

Qingcol · Dec 8, 2012

lou salomon said:
it is a retarded 3rd cycle (-winter), whatever it is. peter should have a look at this. i can't remember having seen pics of such brown 3cy argenteus.

I thought it might be useful to show this heavy 3rd winter argentatus type (just an opinion no claim intended) several around the area at the moment along side of the retarded 3rd winter already discussed, if nothing other than to highlite the range.

Colin

Morg · Dec 8, 2012

Argentatus x fuscus?

This bird in East Lothian today looks to me like a classic Herring x LBBG hybrid - any comments?

Geoff

lou salomon · Dec 9, 2012

looks like a yellowish legged herring gull to me, geoff.

Cristian Mihai · Dec 9, 2012

Lacul Morii, December 8th 2012

Neil Morris · Dec 9, 2012

First winter Caspian Gull, UK 08 Dec 2012

If only the weather was always so obliging and the birds so easy to ID!

Cristian Mihai · Dec 9, 2012

A very good shot of this nice young Caspian Gull, Neil.

Morg · Dec 9, 2012

lou salomon said:
looks like a yellowish legged herring gull to me, geoff.

I did consider a yellowish legged herring gull but thought that the darker shade of the upperparts would effectively exclude it. The mantle shade was equivalent to YLG (previous observers have logged it as a possible YLG) and the Herring Gulls that we see with this mantle shade typically show much reduced black on the wing tip. Another feature that I thought would point toward a hybrid is the wide tertial crescent.

Geoff

lou salomon · Dec 9, 2012

yes, i've noted the wide tertial crescent but couldn't consider it because in these photos any white strongly "eats" into the darker portions, so, if it was observed in the field as well and the mantle was slightly darker a hybrid can be considered. however, it has a black down to p6 only. maybe YLG x HG could as well be considered?

lou salomon · Dec 9, 2012

Cristian Mihai said:
Lacul Morii, December 8th 2012

that bird seems to have only a very tiny p5 mark on the inner web!

tittletattler · Dec 9, 2012

Morg said:
I did consider a yellowish legged herring gull but thought that the darker shade of the upperparts would effectively exclude it. The mantle shade was equivalent to YLG (previous observers have logged it as a possible YLG) and the Herring Gulls that we see with this mantle shade typically show much reduced black on the wing tip. Another feature that I thought would point toward a hybrid is the wide tertial crescent.

Geoff

the 4th photo does seem to show a much darker bird than the two Herrings next to it.

Neil - I had a very similar Caspian in Feb 2010 in Kent:

http://www.kentos.org.uk/recentsigntings/images/casp425-2-10.jpg

Superb looking birds.

Cheers, Andy.

JANJ · Dec 10, 2012

Neil Morris said:
If only the weather was always so obliging and the birds so easy to ID!

For more stunning pic of this Essex cachinnans by Niel see here:

http://www.tarsiger.co.uk/gulls_pages/gull_caspian_2012dec08_2_page.htm

For even more gulls see here:

http://www.tarsiger.co.uk/gulls.htm

JanJ

Cristian Mihai · Dec 12, 2012

The first flocks of Caspian Gulls arrived in Herastrau park (Bucharest).

Cristian Mihai · Dec 15, 2012

Tineretului Park - December 15th 2012

lou salomon · Dec 15, 2012

what a weirdo again!
not only has it a very short pp (like in some male caspians) but it's the first caspian with p8 mirrors that i see! and then the shape of right hand p6 mark!
this together with a strong p4 mark, and a strong p10 subterminal mark make it stand out of every normal cachinnans. might it be a hybrid - cachitatus comes to mind, a russian caligari mixture? wow.

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