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Old Saturday 21st October 2017, 08:37   #51
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Isn’t it easier to speculate and talk „hands-off“ about binoculars that you have never seen than to comment on facts and features of a bino which you have had to inspect yourself ?
Yes, but this only counts for us, the mortal people.
There are different rules for optics keyboard warriors.

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Old Saturday 21st October 2017, 23:37   #52
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The ignore feature is very useful in this example.

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Old Sunday 22nd October 2017, 11:00   #53
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sbb, post 11,
It is funny that you complain about the size of the binocular bag. Not long ago, Swarovski supplied the best (my opinion) bags one could dream of, they fitted like an envelope around the binocular, but I heard that consumers did not like these bags since they were too sober or whatever term you can think of.
I still use them every day and they hardly take space in the backpack, so ideal for hiking and protection. Pity such a consumer influence to the worst (my opinion of course, not shared by everybody I am sure).
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What's the bag model you prefer and refering to?

The "Clam" type
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or the "boxy" one?
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Old Sunday 22nd October 2017, 16:03   #54
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It was the envelope one, it fitted very tight around the binocular and it did a very good job for:
-a- protection
-b- most compact transport in the backpack.
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Old Sunday 22nd October 2017, 17:55   #55
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It was the envelope one, it fitted very tight around the binocular and it did a very good job for:
-a- protection
-b- most compact transport in the backpack.
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Thank You Gijs.
The closest one I found matching your description is that one

http://opticsreview.com/wp-content/u...l-bag-2501.jpg

That's actually a good idea, I'm going to see if I can improvize one with one of the Domke protective wraps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PACh3YRasI

Thanks again Gijs

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Old Sunday 22nd October 2017, 19:22   #56
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RobMorane, post 55,
The first option you showed in your post 55 is exactly the bag I mentioned. I use them for different binoculars (they came in different sizes) and I am very happy with them.
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Old Tuesday 7th November 2017, 01:56   #57
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Anyone non US/Canada in the birdforum neighborhood go out and get these/try these today??? Were people lined up at the stores like with iphone???

I'm very excited about this unit, but looks like I have to wait till mid January 2018 here in the US. Would like to hear the reviews from the earlybirds.... thanks,

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Thank You Gijs.
The closest one I found matching your description is that one

http://opticsreview.com/wp-content/u...l-bag-2501.jpg

That's actually a good idea, I'm going to see if I can improvize one with one of the Domke protective wraps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PACh3YRasI

Thanks again Gijs
That 1st bag is the one that came with my 2006 Swarovski 7x42 SLC B.

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Anyone non US/Canada in the birdforum neighborhood go out and get these/try these today??? Were people lined up at the stores like with iphone???

I'm very excited about this unit, but looks like I have to wait till mid January 2018 here in the US. Would like to hear the reviews from the earlybirds.... thanks,

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OK... I see everyone must be in line for the iphone??

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CG - they're not in stores yet in the UK, but rather are out for delivery with expected arrival later this week. I have looked through the 10x30 but not the 8x30 yet, waiting for stock to arrive! Initial impression of the 10x was very favourable, a huge leap up from the old CL comp.
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OK, they just came in.
First quick impressions of the 10x30 new against old:
Diameter tubes new CL 41.3mm against 45.3mm old CL.
Diameter eyelens 23mm against 18mm.
Diameter focuswheel 28mm against 30mm.
Weight 484 gram against 521 gram.
Close focus to infinity starting at 12 hours is full turn and second ends at 07.00 hours against 01.00 hours old model, so the new one is slower.
Optical box (whatever that may be) permitts me to insert the eyecups fully without causing blackouts. Amazing!
Gijs will measure the transmission spectra next week and will bring "light"in this matter, but the new is brighter and more defined/higher contrast.
Focuswheel smooth as butter. No backlash with dioptersetting inside focuswheel. Bit difficult to see where it's at but once set in once set.

This is an Swarovski as it should be!

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Old Thursday 9th November 2017, 17:15   #62
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OK, they just came in.
First quick impressions of the 10x30 new against old:
Diameter tubes new CL 41.3mm against 45.3mm old CL.
Diameter eyelens 23mm against 18mm.
Diameter focuswheel 28mm against 30mm.
Weight 484 gram against 521 gram.
Close focus to infinity starting at 12 hours is full turn and second ends at 07.00 hours against 01.00 hours old model, so the new one is slower.
Optical box (whatever that may be) permitts me to insert the eyecups fully without causing blackouts. Amazing!
Gijs will measure the transmission spectra next week and will bring "light"in this matter, but the new is brighter and more defined/higher contrast.
Focuswheel smooth as butter. No backlash with dioptersetting inside focuswheel. Bit difficult to see where it's at but once set in once set.

This is an Swarovski as it should be!

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Thanks Jan. If it's not a hassle could you post a pic of it next to the old version? If that's a pain in the behind don't bother.
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Just out of vulgar curiosity, what is the price?
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Old Thursday 9th November 2017, 21:18   #64
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Just out of vulgar curiosity, what is the price?
No no, it's no vulgar curiosity. You're in denial......

But just to amuse you; in 8x it's €1.140,00 and €1.170,00 for the 10.

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No no, it's no vulgar curiosity. You're in denial......

But just to amuse you; in 8x it's €1.140,00 and €1.170,00 for the 10.

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OK, they just came in.
First quick impressions of the 10x30 new against old:
Diameter tubes new CL 41.3mm against 45.3mm old CL.
Diameter eyelens 23mm against 18mm.
Diameter focuswheel 28mm against 30mm.
Weight 484 gram against 521 gram.
Close focus to infinity starting at 12 hours is full turn and second ends at 07.00 hours against 01.00 hours old model, so the new one is slower.
Optical box (whatever that may be) permitts me to insert the eyecups fully without causing blackouts. Amazing!
Gijs will measure the transmission spectra next week and will bring "light"in this matter, but the new is brighter and more defined/higher contrast.
Focuswheel smooth as butter. No backlash with dioptersetting inside focuswheel. Bit difficult to see where it's at but once set in once set.

This is an Swarovski as it should be!

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Sounds promising with the optical box etc.
Will the new CL destroy the Leica UVHD+ 8x32 and SV 8x32 sales?
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Alright Gilmore Girl...you KNOW we will have to buy one.

I just bought two Glocks in the last 30 days, AND want to upgrade my TV soon. Going to have to work a LOT of overtime and get some extra teaching gigs.

This looks like my next bin (and I thought it might be an SF or Noctivid).
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I probably will too. I was going to get an SF but Chosun Juan talked me out of it. At $2500.00 it wasn't too hard though.

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Maljunulo, post 65,
Urk is the name of a city/former island in The Netherlands, Maarssen is the city where House of Outdoor can be found, just in case you do not understand Jan's joke.
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Sounds promising with the optical box etc.
Will the new CL destroy the Leica UVHD+ 8x32 and SV 8x32 sales?
I wouldn't go that far, but I fear for the 32 Trinnie, Genesis, Conquest and Meostar.
Will get them on a row and post a pick later on.

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I wouldn't go that far, but I fear for the 32 Trinnie, Genesis, Conquest and Meostar.
Will get them on a row and post a pick later on.

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I don't know I have the Euro HD 8x32 (Meostar HD) and the Swarovski 8x30 CL is going to have to be darn good to beat it. But I will still be first in line to try one.
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I wouldn't go that far, but I fear for the 32 Trinnie, Genesis, Conquest and Meostar.
Will get them on a row and post a pick later on.

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Jan,

That would be an interesting shootout. There seems to be a gap between those x32s and the ELSV that could do with filling. Is this the one?

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Okidoki,

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Oops, I made the mistake of recently stopping by Birdforum binoculars after a hiatus, only to find this new Swaro on the way. Jan, the photos clinched it: I'll be trying this one.

The bino cases mentioned earlier (#55, 56, etc.) are indeed my favorites. They do everything they should and nothing they shouldn't. They fold flat when not in use (< 1"), weigh next to nothing, don't need a separate strap, and provide plenty of protection for travel. I bought one for my 42mm SV when Swaro closed them out and liked it so much I found one for my 32mm SV on an auction site. They are minimalist, which might explain why some didn't like them--not fancy enough for the $$ maybe?? Beats me. Swaro called them the "functional bag" if memory serves. Wish they'd bring them back. My first gen "field bags" have never seen the light of day.

Looking forward to field reports on this little newbie.
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