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Edward woodwood
Member
Blue and Yellow Tanager is a good possibility
fairly common in that part of Peru
fairly common in that part of Peru
rka
ttbirds
This is interesting. The olive colour looks very much like that found on the Palm Tanager. The blue is similar to that from the Blue-gray Tanager.
From the condensed version of BIRDS - of Trinidad and Tobago by Richard ffrench, he states the following:
"The Palm Tanager is so closely related to the Blue-gray Tanager that some think they may be the same species. Some individuals (i.e. Palm Tanagers) show distinctly bluish upperparts and are probably hybrids with the Blue-gray Tanager"
So unless you can get a positive ID, there is a chance it could be a hybrid.
rka
From the condensed version of BIRDS - of Trinidad and Tobago by Richard ffrench, he states the following:
"The Palm Tanager is so closely related to the Blue-gray Tanager that some think they may be the same species. Some individuals (i.e. Palm Tanagers) show distinctly bluish upperparts and are probably hybrids with the Blue-gray Tanager"
So unless you can get a positive ID, there is a chance it could be a hybrid.
rka
Michael Frankis
conehead
Does this help at all?
Michael
Michael
Edward woodwood
Member
a euphonia rather than a Tanager - bill is small.......
herring99
Well-known member
Michael may of overcooked the image a bit. There is more blue visible in the head region and more olive/grey on the back. The bill and overall shape remind me of the other tanager species i saw at the same time as this individual. One possibility i overlooked was the female of the species. This one does appear very similar to the description of the female blue and yellow tanager given in Barry Walkers Field guide to the birds of Machu Picchu - "greyish-olive, wings and tail blue-grey. Head tinged with blue resembling pattern of male". I've atached another edited image (no colour tweaking, only brightness and sharpness) to show these points.
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Rasmus Boegh
BF member
Congratulations herring99, you've solved it yourself... :clap:
It is indeed a female Blue-and-Yellow Tanager. Reasons given above. Also, the bill is to long (but not to heavy, just think about Thick-billed Euphonia) for being any of the various Euphonias of Peru. Most female Euphonias also have various yellow(ish) markings on the head. Of course seeing the whole body+tail would have helped, as Euphonias are plump and rather short-tailed birds.
Finally, compared to Palm Tanager. Normally Palm is much greyer (however, this can be a somewhat variable feature). What finally sets the thing is the extent of the black on the wing. In Palm Tanager the terminal half of the closed wing is black(ish). If you're not completely sure with what I ment by this, have a look at this link with a photo of a Palm Tanager, and you will know (it's obvious!):
http://gianfvil.gamersrevolt.it/Trinidad/Palm tanager 3.htm
Finally, Palm Tanager is generally a lowland species, rarely occuring higher than 2000 masl.
* A note on "The Palm Tanager is so closely related to the Blue-gray Tanager that some think they may be the same species." (taken from a previous thread).
These two species have a rather similar distribution. Still, they have maintained their integrity as different species, and interbreeding has been very, very limited. There are no known stabil hybrid populations, the few hydrids have been singles, nothing else. So yes, we're clearly dealing with two different species.
It is indeed a female Blue-and-Yellow Tanager. Reasons given above. Also, the bill is to long (but not to heavy, just think about Thick-billed Euphonia) for being any of the various Euphonias of Peru. Most female Euphonias also have various yellow(ish) markings on the head. Of course seeing the whole body+tail would have helped, as Euphonias are plump and rather short-tailed birds.
Finally, compared to Palm Tanager. Normally Palm is much greyer (however, this can be a somewhat variable feature). What finally sets the thing is the extent of the black on the wing. In Palm Tanager the terminal half of the closed wing is black(ish). If you're not completely sure with what I ment by this, have a look at this link with a photo of a Palm Tanager, and you will know (it's obvious!):
http://gianfvil.gamersrevolt.it/Trinidad/Palm tanager 3.htm
Finally, Palm Tanager is generally a lowland species, rarely occuring higher than 2000 masl.
* A note on "The Palm Tanager is so closely related to the Blue-gray Tanager that some think they may be the same species." (taken from a previous thread).
These two species have a rather similar distribution. Still, they have maintained their integrity as different species, and interbreeding has been very, very limited. There are no known stabil hybrid populations, the few hydrids have been singles, nothing else. So yes, we're clearly dealing with two different species.
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cuckooroller
Registered User
Thanks Rasmus,
I was undecided between that one and a female Euphonia but the Euphonia doesn't have as long or massive a bill as this one. Now I know.
I was undecided between that one and a female Euphonia but the Euphonia doesn't have as long or massive a bill as this one. Now I know.
Jane Turner
Well-known member
Thanks.... another one cleared up!
