Peter Kovalik
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The Shorebird Addict
Anyone has the contact details of Rosemary?
Cheers, Szimi
Cheers, Szimi
SzimiStyle
The Shorebird Addict
Gracias 
Peter Kovalik
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Incl. Scolopaci:
Anders Ödeen, Olle Håstad, and Per Alström
Evolution of ultraviolet vision in shorebirds (Charadriiformes)
Biol. Lett. June 23, 2010 6:370-374
Abstract
Electronic supplementary material
Anders Ödeen, Olle Håstad, and Per Alström
Evolution of ultraviolet vision in shorebirds (Charadriiformes)
Biol. Lett. June 23, 2010 6:370-374
Abstract
Electronic supplementary material
Peter Kovalik
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Pluvialis
Non-monophyletic origin of Charadriidae
By Ödeen et al Charadriidae is polyphyletic (or paraphyletic) if Pluvialis is considered to be a member of Charadriidae
Similar results:
- Ericson, Envall, Irestedt & Norman, 2003. Inter-familial relationships of the shorebirds (Aves: Charadriiformes) based on nuclear DNA sequence data. BMC Evolutionary Biology 2003, 3:16.
Full paper
- Baker, Pereira & Paton, 2007. Phylogenetic relationships and divergence times of Charadriiformes genera: multigene evidence for the Cretaceous origin of at least 14 clades of shorebirds. Biol. Lett. (2007) 3, 205–209.
Full paper
- Fain & Houde, 2007. Multilocus perspectives on the monophyly and phylogeny of the order Charadriiformes (Aves). BMC Evolutionary Biology 2007, 7:35.
Full paper
Non-monophyletic origin of Charadriidae
By Ödeen et al Charadriidae is polyphyletic (or paraphyletic) if Pluvialis is considered to be a member of Charadriidae
Similar results:
- Ericson, Envall, Irestedt & Norman, 2003. Inter-familial relationships of the shorebirds (Aves: Charadriiformes) based on nuclear DNA sequence data. BMC Evolutionary Biology 2003, 3:16.
Full paper
- Baker, Pereira & Paton, 2007. Phylogenetic relationships and divergence times of Charadriiformes genera: multigene evidence for the Cretaceous origin of at least 14 clades of shorebirds. Biol. Lett. (2007) 3, 205–209.
Full paper
- Fain & Houde, 2007. Multilocus perspectives on the monophyly and phylogeny of the order Charadriiformes (Aves). BMC Evolutionary Biology 2007, 7:35.
Full paper
Richard Klim
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Gibson & Baker
Gibson & Baker (in press). Multiple gene sequences resolve phylogenetic relationships in the shorebird suborder Scolopaci (Aves: Charadriiformes). Mol Phylogenet Evol. [abstract]
Richard Klim
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Richard Klim
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Polynesian sandpipers
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/changes.html [10 Aug 2012]
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/List8.html#scolopacidae
John Boyd (TiF):
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/changes.html [10 Aug 2012]
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/List8.html#scolopacidae
Richard Klim
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Chubbia
[As John Boyd (TiF): www.jboyd.net/Taxo/List8.html#scolopacidae]
AOU-SACC Proposal #546 (Remsen, Sep 2012): Resurrect Chubbia.
[As John Boyd (TiF): www.jboyd.net/Taxo/List8.html#scolopacidae]
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l_raty
laurent raty
Cox1 sequences suggest that G. undulata is still closer to Coenocorypha than G. (Chubbia) imperialis, thus resurrecting Chubbia seems unlikely to solve the problem...
(With the exception of these two, "large southern" Gallinago are basically unsampled in phylogenetic studies. Lymnocryptes, however, is clearly not embedded in Gallinago, as sampled up to now.)
(I have significant problems with the data in Gibson & Baker 2012.)
I've attached a cox1 ML consensus tree (all Charadriiformes), if anyone is interested.
Richard Klim
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l_raty
laurent raty
Chubbia
But then again no data is available for stricklandii or jamesoni, hence we can't be sure that Chubbia is monophyletic. And what about nobilis? Or, in the Old World, nemoricola, solitaria...?
Yes, this seems possible.
But then again no data is available for stricklandii or jamesoni, hence we can't be sure that Chubbia is monophyletic. And what about nobilis? Or, in the Old World, nemoricola, solitaria...?
l_raty
laurent raty
South American Snipe
There are 5 birds labelled Gallinago paraguaiae in BOLD, 3 from Corrientes, N Argentina, 1 from Rio Grande do Sul, S Brasil, and 1 from Guyana.
These have all very similar barcodes.
But this record in BOLD (not included in the tree I posted the other day; record not ID'd, but it is the only record in its BIN, and the BIN is labelled "Gallinago gallinago"; from Neuquen, C Argentina, in May) is most likely a magellanica.
The sequence is basal in the Common Snipe group, like those of paraguaiae, but it differs from the latters by a bit more than 2% (see attachment).
(There are also two divergent (~3% divergence) cyt-b sequences of Gallinago paraguaiae in GenBank (FJ603655 and JQ963047), a situation that normally should suggest divergence exists within this taxon. But these two were apparently obtained from the same voucher specimen ("L50137", Brazil), which is, well, kind of a problem...)
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There are 5 birds labelled Gallinago paraguaiae in BOLD, 3 from Corrientes, N Argentina, 1 from Rio Grande do Sul, S Brasil, and 1 from Guyana.
These have all very similar barcodes.
But this record in BOLD (not included in the tree I posted the other day; record not ID'd, but it is the only record in its BIN, and the BIN is labelled "Gallinago gallinago"; from Neuquen, C Argentina, in May) is most likely a magellanica.
The sequence is basal in the Common Snipe group, like those of paraguaiae, but it differs from the latters by a bit more than 2% (see attachment).
(There are also two divergent (~3% divergence) cyt-b sequences of Gallinago paraguaiae in GenBank (FJ603655 and JQ963047), a situation that normally should suggest divergence exists within this taxon. But these two were apparently obtained from the same voucher specimen ("L50137", Brazil), which is, well, kind of a problem...
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Richard Klim
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South American Snipe
Jaramillo 2003 (Birds of Chile) comments:
Jaramillo 2003 (Birds of Chile) comments:
AOU-SACC: "proposal badly needed."
thomasdonegan
Former amateur ornithologist
"And what about nobilis?"
My experience of this bird is a morphologically pretty typical, diurnal (not nocturnal), wetland inhabiting Gallinago sort of Snipe. But you never know what mtDNA will turn up.
My experience of this bird is a morphologically pretty typical, diurnal (not nocturnal), wetland inhabiting Gallinago sort of Snipe. But you never know what mtDNA will turn up.
mb1848
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In the SACC proposal to resurrect Chubbia it states there is no reason why some snipe would not converge on “woodcockness”, and in fact there may be a continuum between the two groups in ecology and morphology. And, I favor resurrecting Chubbia because I think that the limited data so far puts the burden-of-proof on the position that merges it into Chubbia, especially because no explicit rationale was published for its merger into Gallinago. De Schauensee did not give a rational for the merger but in 1968 Jehl gave a good rational, I think. And it revolves around convergence.
R E L AT I O N S H I PS IN THE CHARADRII (SHOREBIRDS):
A TAXONOMIC STUDY BASED ON COLOR PATTERNS OF THE DOWNY YOUNG
Joseph Jehl Jr. SAN DIEGO SOCIETY OF NATURAL HISTORY MEMOIRS
Memoir 3, pages 1-54, figures 1-31,
Issued September 30, 1968
I follow De Schauensee (1966) in merging Chubbia with Gallinago. The idea of close affinity between Gallingo and Scolopax is of long standing. Adults of these genera are morphologically similar and several South American species of Gallinago (stricklandii.janies- oni, imperialis) that were formerly placed in Chubbia (Peters, 1934) seem to bridge the gap neatly between the longer-legged, slender snipe and the squat, robust woodcocks. Yet, chicks of
Scolopax and GalUnago are dissimilar. The close relationship of these genera is so widely accepted that the lack of similarity in their chicks may
indicate little more than the danger of relying on too few characters in determining relationships. Since snipe tend to nest in marshy areas and
woodcocks in forested regions, some differences in chick patterns might be predicted. However, in view of the similarity of downy patterns within
other wader subfamilies, it is somewhat disturbing to find that nowhere among the snipe and their allies are there downy patterns that even vaguely
approximate that of Scolopax. and, furthermore, that the variation in snipe and woodcock downy plumage is insufficient to give any clues to how one
plumage pattern could have been evolved from the other. This transformation is far more difficult to achieve than reference to the pattern diagrams
might suggest, for it requires extensive changes in color and feather structure as well as in pattern icf. Figs. 2 M, N; 16, 17). On the other hand, it requires little imagination to visualize the evolution of a
Scolopax pattern from that of a tringine sandpiper.
Although Scolopax and Gallinago can be pre- sumed to have arisen from a common ancestor, which may have been tringine, the great differences between their chicks suggest that these genera are more distantly related than is currently recognized. Pending a re-examination of these rela- tionships I suggest that a separate subfamily, Gallinagoninae, be established for the snipe and their allies. This separation has also been suggested by Verheyen (1958a) on the basis of osteological characters as well as chick plumages.
The chicks of species formerly assigned to Chubbia are typically snipelike. I interpret the similarities between the adults and Scolopax as convergent. These woodcock-like snipe occur only in South America, where the most extensive snipe radiation has taken place; woodcocks, in spite of their otherwise widespread distribution, are ab- sent from that continent.
R E L AT I O N S H I PS IN THE CHARADRII (SHOREBIRDS):
A TAXONOMIC STUDY BASED ON COLOR PATTERNS OF THE DOWNY YOUNG
Joseph Jehl Jr. SAN DIEGO SOCIETY OF NATURAL HISTORY MEMOIRS
Memoir 3, pages 1-54, figures 1-31,
Issued September 30, 1968
I follow De Schauensee (1966) in merging Chubbia with Gallinago. The idea of close affinity between Gallingo and Scolopax is of long standing. Adults of these genera are morphologically similar and several South American species of Gallinago (stricklandii.janies- oni, imperialis) that were formerly placed in Chubbia (Peters, 1934) seem to bridge the gap neatly between the longer-legged, slender snipe and the squat, robust woodcocks. Yet, chicks of
Scolopax and GalUnago are dissimilar. The close relationship of these genera is so widely accepted that the lack of similarity in their chicks may
indicate little more than the danger of relying on too few characters in determining relationships. Since snipe tend to nest in marshy areas and
woodcocks in forested regions, some differences in chick patterns might be predicted. However, in view of the similarity of downy patterns within
other wader subfamilies, it is somewhat disturbing to find that nowhere among the snipe and their allies are there downy patterns that even vaguely
approximate that of Scolopax. and, furthermore, that the variation in snipe and woodcock downy plumage is insufficient to give any clues to how one
plumage pattern could have been evolved from the other. This transformation is far more difficult to achieve than reference to the pattern diagrams
might suggest, for it requires extensive changes in color and feather structure as well as in pattern icf. Figs. 2 M, N; 16, 17). On the other hand, it requires little imagination to visualize the evolution of a
Scolopax pattern from that of a tringine sandpiper.
Although Scolopax and Gallinago can be pre- sumed to have arisen from a common ancestor, which may have been tringine, the great differences between their chicks suggest that these genera are more distantly related than is currently recognized. Pending a re-examination of these rela- tionships I suggest that a separate subfamily, Gallinagoninae, be established for the snipe and their allies. This separation has also been suggested by Verheyen (1958a) on the basis of osteological characters as well as chick plumages.
The chicks of species formerly assigned to Chubbia are typically snipelike. I interpret the similarities between the adults and Scolopax as convergent. These woodcock-like snipe occur only in South America, where the most extensive snipe radiation has taken place; woodcocks, in spite of their otherwise widespread distribution, are ab- sent from that continent.
Richard Klim
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Arenariinae
Banks 2012. Classification and Nomenclature of the Sandpipers (Aves: Arenariinae). Zootaxa 3513: 86–88. [preview]
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