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Old Thursday 13th November 2008, 21:08   #26
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Well, we had our moments together, but I would like someone..something more suitable in the woods in my hands. Plus I am stuck on this 8x and 400 ft fov concept of mine for a view, both fit the bill. I now will have a total of 4 Bushnells with around 400ft fov.

The lugs of the Excursions are just silly. Nobody needs anything but the standard strap attachments.
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Old Sunday 16th November 2008, 00:16   #27
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I went back to that Sportsman's warehouse today. I had to buy some other stuff, but looked at the optics again. I think Tero is on to something with the diopter. The 8x36 EX I'd been looking at last week was all messed up with its diopter adjustment. The optics were still fine and the diopter wold still focus, but it had shifted from being in focus at just a tiny bit + diopter to need ing to be at +3 to focus. I know the life of a display binocular is a tough one, but the other glass I had looked at was still OK.

Now a bit of correction on my last post. The focus locks with a motion like the diopter adjustment on the center focus wheel. Posting from memory mislead me. Tero's right the diopter is the standard sort of a right side adjustment.

If not for that diopter, I may have bought one for jollies. My curiosity is now satisfied.
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Old Tuesday 18th November 2008, 01:34   #28
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The open bridge was not the issue, but I do not think it adds to mechanical reliability. It was just that the diopter may have gone off from the original setting and that would point to a design problem. I have the regular 8x42 now and the view is very similar, weight is more. I posted on the other thread
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Old Friday 28th November 2008, 22:52   #29
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I got a set.

I like the smaller Open Bridge design. I've been liking the full size open bridge bins I've been using but was a bit skeptical about the smaller ones. Nice hand grip. Fingers fit nicely around the bin and the bridge sections are nicely shaped so they don't dig into the hands.

The box, case and little bag the bins come in are nice for gifts. Bushnell learning from the Elite.

But the down side is the optics aren't as good as the optics in "regular" Excursion or the Vortex Diamondback (same/similar optics). Much more CA including in regular use in the center of the image (perhaps the worst I've seen in a roof?). Fair amount of stray light too (not as bad a the Promaster 8x32 but getting up there) worse than the Diamondback 8x42 by a little bit. The combination of the two effects meant I had to return it.

Say compared to the (cheaper on sale) Pentax HS 8x36 the Excursion EX 8x36 bin is worse optically. The Pentax is less blue in color. Sharper. More contrast. And controls stray light very well (perhaps due to it's narrower FOV: 6.5 degrees rather than 8 degrees. It's ergonomics are very good too though the Pentax is longer (higher f/number objectives may be helping the view). Perhaps the best $200 roof out there right now (overall I liked them better than the Diamondback).

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Old Monday 1st December 2008, 00:22   #30
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Yes, thanks, always good to have info on the Pentax 8x models. The Bushnells wre attractive to me for wide fields. I did not suffer from the CA, I thought it no worse than Nikon Monarchs. But I compromised, went for the 8x Vipers as a pair was available. Less fov, better optics overall.

My best 8x are still the Bushnell Legend 8x42 porros.
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Old Monday 8th December 2008, 20:51   #31
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Tero, how are the 8x36 Excursion EX?


Also curious about the 8x30 Natureview Reverse Porro.
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Did you read the thread?
The diopter adjustment probably came loose. I could only use them with the diopter near the end. They went back.
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Its a shame there are still such obvious quality control issues with these bins. I found something similar with the Cabelas Alpha Extremes (similar to the Excursion EX). It would be nice if someone could market a reliable, waterproof roof prism bin that offered good to excellent optical performance in this price range. The closest thing I can think of, for now, is the Vortex Diamondback.
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