D700 replacement???? (1 Viewer)

RMWD · Sep 13, 2014

Vespobuteo said:
Buying a FF cam to shoot DX seems crazy,
D800 for actionphoto ... Nooo...Btdt
A used D3s is probably the best alternative
Great cam!

D750 is a compromise,
We love that in sweden...
;-)

That doesn't make sense. Apart from more frames per second and buffer size, how can a D3s be more useful for bird photography than D800? The pixel density is useless for anything unless up close. Perhaps not with an 800mm lens!
Whereas it might be crazy to you to shoot DX with an FX camera, you wouldn't do it all the time and with a good 500mm lens not have to do much at all. With the D810 now, Nikon does not offer another camera with as good pixel density, pro build, great AF, reasonable frame rate and huge buffer. The sensor alone completely puts Canon's 7D in it's place. The D800 was a very good bird and wildlife camera and the D810 is better in every way that matters.

opticoholic · Sep 13, 2014

BillN said:
I come to the conclusion quite a lot that the Canon 7D plus Canon 400mm f5.6 is the most cost effective walk around nature lens that produces a good quality image

I am a Nikon shooter …… but you can buy that combination, camera and lens 7D + 400mm for less than the new Nikon 80 400mm VR and the IQ from the prime is better and the set up far lighter and easier to hand hold although it does not have VR …….. if the 400mm f5.6 took Canon TC's and the AF was not crippled with the TC I would grab one tomorrow

Bill,
For what it's worth, I don't think the "old" Canon 7D with 400 f/5.6 will do any better than the Nikon D7100 with the good ol' 300 f/4 + 1.4TC. And I think you already have this combination, recalling from your earlier posts... I know it isn't a perfect solution, but not bad, and maybe still the best option out there, for the cost...

For those who want to use an FX body for birds, it's clear to me that the D810 is the way to go (or a D800/E). This D750 looks like a nice camera, but for birds I would want the extra pixels the D810 gives you in crop modes... Too bad the D810 is so expensive...

I'm not ready to spring for a D810 and dive into full frame for birds, but this D750 seems like a natural full frame 2nd body/companion to my D7100. The layout/ergonomics battery, memory cards, everything very similar to the D7100 and for me personally it's a compelling package. I'm also interested in that new wide angle 20mm f/1.8... I want to know how well it performs stopped down for landscapes. Depending on that maybe I will sell my Tokina 11-16mm and some other stuff and Nikon will have finally lured me into full frame!

As was said earlier in this thread, I think the D750 sales will mostly eat into sales of other FX bodies. Especially the D610. Even now with the higher introductory price, for me the D750 is worth the extra $$ compared to the D610. So I think the D610 will die soon. Maybe as some have said, that was the whole purpose of the D750--to hasten the retirement of the D6XX and the bad memory around it.

For now I'm sticking with my D7100 on birds, and whatever DX body might come after it... I think the D7300 will appear for sure either late this year or early next. So I'm going to try to wait at least that long before deciding whether to get a D750. I'm not made of money after all... And I know you'll poke fun at me, but I haven't totally given up hope on the D9300!

--Dave

Vespobuteo · Sep 13, 2014

RMWD said:
That doesn't make sense. Apart from more frames per second and buffer size, how can a D3s be more useful for bird photography than D800? The pixel density is useless for anything unless up close. Perhaps not with an 800mm lens!.

Getting close to your subject is one of the keys to good (wildlife) photography,

D3s delivers in low light.

Credit to the D800/810 for fantastic DR though. Better landscape camera is hard to find.

Pasquier · Sep 14, 2014

Nazim has updated the details of the buffer size on Photographylife.com.
DSLR Image Type FX Size DX Size FX Buffer DX Buffer Cont. Shoot
Nikon D610 NEF (RAW), Lossless compressed, 14-bit 29.2 MB 13.4 MB 14 34 2.3 sec
Nikon D700 NEF (RAW), Lossless compressed, 14-bit 16.3 MB 7.0 MB 20 46 4.0 sec
Nikon D750 NEF (RAW), Lossless compressed, 14-bit 26.9 MB 13.1 MB 15 48 2.3 sec
Nikon D810 NEF (RAW), Lossless compressed, 14-bit 40.7 MB 18.3 MB 28 97 5.6 sec

Read more: http://photographylife.com/nikon-d750-buffer-capacity#ixzz3DGT6oVKT

Vespobuteo · Sep 14, 2014

Pasquier said:
Nazim has updated the details of the buffer size on Photographylife.com.
DSLR Image Type FX Size DX Size FX Buffer DX Buffer Cont. Shoot
Nikon D610 NEF (RAW), Lossless compressed, 14-bit 29.2 MB 13.4 MB 14 34 2.3 sec
Nikon D700 NEF (RAW), Lossless compressed, 14-bit 16.3 MB 7.0 MB 20 46 4.0 sec
Nikon D750 NEF (RAW), Lossless compressed, 14-bit 26.9 MB 13.1 MB 15 48 2.3 sec
Nikon D810 NEF (RAW), Lossless compressed, 14-bit 40.7 MB 18.3 MB 28 97 5.6 sec

Read more: http://photographylife.com/nikon-d750-buffer-capacity#ixzz3DGT6oVKT

D750S will be faster…
I already see it in my crystal ball

Pasquier · Sep 16, 2014

After seeing the specs of the new Canon 7dii, one has to be disappointed with Nikon's rather half-hearted attempts of late…. they could have done so much more with the D750 or a D7300.
10 fps in a dx body with 63 point pro-af…. sheesh…. dream on ….

Vespobuteo · Sep 16, 2014

Pasquier said:
After seeing the specs of the new Canon 7dii, one has to be disappointed with Nikon's rather half-hearted attempts of late…. they could have done so much more with the D750 or a D7300.
10 fps in a dx body with 63 point pro-af…. sheesh…. dream on ….

D750 is full frame, 7d mkii is not…
big difference there…

nikon seem to push FF harder,
don't think D750 was intended as a D400,

nikon see more potential buyers in a FF-body probably,
(their "pro" DX lens line up is very limited)
and as a FF shooter, it's a pain to have a DX backup body,

canon have more lenses for APS-C,
for the eager bird shooter the 7dmkii probably will be more interesting,
if canon have managed to fix the lag in IQ...
even at 10fps, it's IQ that matters…

perhaps there will be a D400, but not this year,
Many canon shooters are still waiting for IS in the EF 400/5.6….
instead they get a 400/4 DO…that cost more than a nikon 500mm…
bird shooters on a budget obviously can't put their faith in
canon nor nikon…

Pasquier · Sep 16, 2014

Vespobuteo said:
D750 is full frame, 7d mkii is not…
big difference there…

If you read my post, I said that a D7300 similar to the 7Dii would be great. Regardless, 10FPS and a decent buffer with 20mp is impressive. The D750 with 24 mp and a crippled buffer, slow FPS cannot compete - period.

nikon seem to push FF harder,
don't think D750 was intended as a D400,

nikon see more potential buyers in a FF-body probably,
(their "pro" DX lens line up is very limited)
and as a FF shooter, it's a pain to have a DX backup body,

Why is this a pain, I use the D7100 all the time when I need more reach….?

canon have more lenses for APS-C,
for the eager bird shooter the 7dmkii probably will be more interesting,
if canon have managed to fix the lag in IQ...
even at 10fps, it's IQ that matters…

I think the Canon lower IQ is a myth - my colleagues shooting the D1x produce astounding results - also several pro Nikon user (Scott Kelby) have changed back to Canon...

perhaps there will be a D400, but not this year,
Many canon shooters are still waiting for IS in the EF 400/5.6….
instead they get a 400/4 DO…that cost more than a nikon 500mm…
bird shooters on a budget obviously can't put their faith in
canon nor nikon…

Nikon offers nothing in this range either - and with the new Sigma 150-600mm - maybe both Canon/Nikon won't need to.

Vespobuteo · Sep 16, 2014

Pasquier said:
If you read my post, I said that a D7300 similar to the 7Dii would be great. Regardless, 10FPS and a decent buffer with 20mp is impressive. The D750 with 24 mp and a crippled buffer, slow FPS cannot compete - period.

canon is lagging in sensor and AD conversion technology,
most obvious in dynamic range and color depth.

D750 is more versatile, a better all around camera,
and its FF…no competition there..

Neil · Sep 17, 2014

Vespobuteo said:
Buying a FF cam to shoot DX seems crazy,
D800 for actionphoto ... Nooo...Btdt
A used D3s is probably the best alternative
Great cam!

D750 is a compromise,
We love that in sweden...
;-)

I agree with you on this. For speed, if you don't won't to spend the big bucks for the D4s, get a D3s. It's still an excellent nature camera for fast action. Heavy in the hand but feels nice with Nikon telephoto lenses.
I shot a series of 17 frames on a Fish Eagle taking off straight at me at 25 meters in SA a few years ago and every frame was in focus.
The D810 still can't do this , although I'm sure the D4s could.
Neil.

Pasquier · Sep 17, 2014

Vespobuteo said:
D750 is more versatile, a better all around camera,
and its FF…no competition there..

You're missing the point.
Even the old D700 could attain 8FPS in FX with a battery grip and had a decent buffer.

The D750 crawls along at 6.5 FPS for 2 secs. It is no better than the D600.
Both are inferior to the old D700 in this regard.

The same holds true for the D7000/D7100 - they cannot compete with the old D300.

Nikon simply insists in crippling their mid-range cameras, something Canon does not do.

Vespobuteo · Sep 17, 2014

Pasquier said:
You're missing the point.
Even the old D700 could attain 8FPS in FX with a battery grip and had a decent buffer.

The D750 crawls along at 6.5 FPS for 2 secs. It is no better than the D600.
Both are inferior to the old D700 in this regard.

The same holds true for the D7000/D7100 - they cannot compete with the old D300.

Nikon simply insists in crippling their mid-range cameras, something Canon does not do.

what I don't understand is why you don't change to Canon?
Obviously their line up suit your needs better.
(the lag in IQ??)

not many people really need 10fps, and those who does usually
buy D4s/1Dx, or a second hand D2s

nikon cripples speed, canon cripples sensor size,
just different product segmentation strategies.

just looked at some test shots from the D750 at ISO6400,
the quality is crazy good even without noise reduction,

Pasquier · Sep 17, 2014

I've been using Nikon for the past 30 years (F3, FM2, F90X etc), and have to much invested in glass and bodies (which includes pro-FX).

I'm just irritated by Nikon's policies of protecting their prime bodies and crippling their mid-range.
This includes the Df, which many enthusiasts like me, were keenly waiting for, and which had a lot of potential if they provided a decent AF and interchangeable focusing screens (which Canon does) for use with classic AIs MF lenses, which the camera was intended for.

The D750 was just one blunder too many IMHO, especially after the D600 disaster.

Anyhow, time to move on… this is getting pointless …… have fun with your D3S and keep shooting.

BillN · Sep 18, 2014

Buy a D610 for under £1,000 if that's what the D800/D810 doubters think

At the end of the day glass is what is important to wildlife and bird shooters ……. that's why we spend a fortune on it and that's why we want an upgrade for the 400mm f5.6 or Nikon 300mm f4

someone mentioned "getting nearer" - I never thought of that, is it some joke ……... BUT have you tried with many birds?

Pasquier · Sep 18, 2014

Bill, I agree, nothing beats good glass… and it is the only part of our equipment which sort-of retains its value.
Camera bodies have become PCs - they are obsolete the day after they are produced and devalue like a decaying fish.
Old fotogs may remember the times when Nikons top cameras e.g. F3 were on same for a decade or more…. how times have changed.
As for getting closer…. not a chance in my neck of the woods.
Maybe I need to save up for the 800mm….

Helios · Sep 18, 2014

The D750 is a fine camera, packed with many features, and is no doubt excellent for event photography, or video action. It's not one though that's best suited to be mounted on the end of a big 500 or 600mm telephoto, or adjusting the settings when wearing gloves and your fingers are freezing, or one to capture an Osprey or White-tailed Eagle dive.

The problem with Nikon's recent new camera's is that they're not leaving a clear upgrade path for their existing customers, in particular D300 and D700 users. Those into action may find a used D3s or D4 a better choice than the D750. For people like me who require the pixel density of the D300, a used D800 is probably the best match, but certainly not a perfect one. I expect there's going to be a few defections to Canon, especially if the new 7D mk II proves to be as good as the specs promise.

Pasquier · Sep 18, 2014

Well put, Helios!

The CameraStore has a rather good clip on the D750.

Maybe, I'll have to change my mind ….

capdegat · Sep 18, 2014

This getting nearer thing always gets me. Do we slide through the the hide viewing slot ,then swim with large camera at the ready ? Perhaps this is the ideal situation for the 1 system !

Helios · Sep 18, 2014

There are various ways of getting closer. There are specialist bird photography hides available for example Kingfishers, Little Owls, Sparrowhawks etc, although they're quite expensive. You can easily get frame fillers of terns,Puffins, Guillemots, etc on the Farne Islands. Gilfach farm was a great place to get close to Redstarts and Pied Flycatchers, although there is now some restrictions to photographing birds. Waders can be very tame, especially if you let them come to you.

Some rarities can be very tame. I few years ago there was a Steppe Shrike which was occasionally landing on twitchers heads!

Depends were you live really; I find it easier by the coast.

BillN · Sep 19, 2014

Getting nearer

Hides are hides - birds in the wild are birds in the wild

it's great to get a nice shot of a Finch or Robin coming in to feed from a "feeder" - and if that what you want OK

Try it with Raptors in the wild ……. especially the ones that you just get to see now and again ……. or at the other end a Firecrest or Goldcrest …………. and in fact try to get near a Golden Oriole in Europe, (I have been trying for 5 years - they have a sixth sense)

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