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Old Monday 2nd August 2010, 19:58   #101
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Suliformes is a fish name:
"A review of the genus Corydorax La Cepede 1803 (Pisces, Sulformes, Callichthyidae)" Is not that bad form??

Mathews used Suborder Eurypygiformes in 1915 The Austral avian record: a scientific journal devoted primarily ...
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Old Monday 2nd August 2010, 21:41   #102
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[quote=mb1848;1891408]Suliformes is a fish name:
"A review of the genus Corydorax La Cepede 1803 (Pisces, Sulformes, Callichthyidae)" Is not that bad form??


Callichthyidae is a member of the Siluriformes (catfish); "Sulformes" does not make sense and seems like it was probably a typo.
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Old Tuesday 3rd August 2010, 10:00   #103
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PDF of the 51st Supplement is now on the AOU site:

http://www.aou.org/checklist/suppl/A...t_suppl_51.pdf
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AOU-SACC proposals

SACC now has a series of proposals (#448-454, Aug 2010) to follow changes resulting from the 51st Supplement:
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCproproster.html

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Old Wednesday 4th August 2010, 06:36   #105
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The AOU website now identifies two errors in the supplement (the scoter name already discussed, and sequence within Cyanolyca).
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Whip-poor-will & Winter Wren

David Sibley has produced draft range maps for the splits:
http://www.sibleyguides.com/2010/08/...whip-poor-will
http://www.sibleyguides.com/2010/08/...or-winter-wren

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Peter: Does anyone know the author's name and date of the taxon name Suliformes, or who was the first person who used this term? Also Eurypygiformes.

Me:{Suliformes is a fish name:
A review of the genus Corydorax La Cepede 1803 (Pisces, Sulformes, Callichthyidae) Is not that bad form??}
“Callichthyidae is a member of the Siluriformes (catfish); "Sulformes" does not make sense and seems like it was probably a typo” I agree it was a typo. The Committee cited Hackett et al (2008) for this name but I have not read it.

Me: {Mathews used Suborder Eurypygiformes in 1915 The Austral avian record: a scientific journal devoted primarily .}
The Committee in the proposal said it was a new name and did not cite Mathews. ICZN The Code Introduction: The Code does not fully regulate the names of taxa above the family group. Chapter 1.2.2 Articles 1-4 7,-10 11.1-11.3 14 27 28 and 32.5.2.6 also regulate names of taxa at ranks above the family group. My question is under Article 10 is Eurypygiformes available???
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Sylviidae

This might be splitting hairs, but I'm still bothered by the arrangement around the breakup of old Sylviidae.

In the accepted proposal a suggested systematic arrangement also includes Alaudidae, Hirundinidae, Pycnonotidae and Aegithalidae. These are all part of the Sylvioidea radiation, with Paridae+Remizidae ususally put basally. But in the updated list I see this order:

Alaudidae+Hirundinidae
Paridae+Remizidae
Aegithalidae
Sittidae+Certhiidae+Troglodytidae+Polioptilidae
Cinclidae
Pycnonotidae
Regulidae
Cettiidae+Phylloscopidae (and then the proposed order)

What happened between the proposal and the supplement? Frankly, what's the point of breaking up Sylviidae due to paraphyly vs other passerines when it's not reflected in the systematic list?
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I think an additional proposal is needed to rearrange the groups...
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Bahama Oriole

The newly split Icterus northropi Bahama Oriole (also recognised by IOC) qualifies for CR categorisation:
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The newly split Icterus northropi Bahama Oriole (also recognised by IOC) qualifies for CR categorisation:
http://www.birdlife.org/community/20...le-on-the-edge

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Not often you get an armchair CR - if you're struggling for time you can do this on a day return from Nassau.

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Not often you get an armchair CR - if you're struggling for time you can do this on a day return from Nassau.
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Nice one, Alan!
[And I need Great Lizard Cuckoo for Bahamas/Nearctic - also available on Andros - plus a chance of West Indian Whistling Duck...]

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Old Tuesday 10th August 2010, 01:43   #114
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Alan, is this your own picture? I don't think we have this form represented in the gallery (hint, hint)

And Richard, if you go to the Bahamas, I would also look at some of the endemic races of other birds, such as the parrot, red-legged thrush, nuthatch, etc (I cannot remember which are available where in the Bahamas as I have never been)

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Yes. I've only birded Abaco and New Providence, so I missed several Bahamian species/forms found only on other islands (including Inagua Parrot and Bahama Nuthatch). Too many places to visit...

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Old Tuesday 10th August 2010, 21:10   #116
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I have several pics of northropi but have never had occasion to post to Opus, what is the procedure?
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What we usually recommend is that you simply post to the gallery (hit the gallery tab and then click opload photo, follow the instructions). If you know or suspect that the picture shows something special (a new species or new, distinct subspecies for Opus, a female where only male is available, or a much better picture than the one in Opus), then a little note in this forum will catch the attention of the Opus editors.

Above was the simple version. In reality uploading a picture to Opus seems a little daunting first time you try, but by the third one it seems routine. All other sorts of Opus editing is really easy.

Send me a PM or make a request somewhere in this forum if anyone would like to try but feels it is scary.

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Pacific & Winter Wrens

David Sibley, re identification:
http://www.sibleyguides.com/2010/08/...d-winter-wrens

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SACC now has a series of proposals (#448-454, Aug 2010) to follow changes resulting from the 51st Supplement:
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCproproster.html
Proposal #452 (to recognise parulid genus Parkesia) passed 7 Oct 2010.
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCproproster.html
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Alan, is this your own picture? I don't think we have this form represented in the gallery (hint, hint)

And Richard, if you go to the Bahamas, I would also look at some of the endemic races of other birds, such as the parrot, red-legged thrush, nuthatch, etc (I cannot remember which are available where in the Bahamas as I have never been)

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I'll try and work out how to upload it tonight - it isn't great - a video grab if I remember

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SACC now has a series of proposals (#448-454, Aug 2010) to follow changes resulting from the 51st Supplement.
Proposals #449-451 to create new orders Phaethontiformes, Suliformes & Eurypygiformes passed today (11 Nov 2010).
www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCproproster.html
www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop449.html
www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop450.html
www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop451.html

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ABA CLC 21st Report

Pranty, Dunn, Gibson, Heinl, Iliff, Kratter, Lehman, Lockwood, Mactavish, Pittaway & Zimmer 2010. 21st Report of the ABA Checklist Committee 2009-2010. Birding 42(6): 30-39.
www.aba.org/birding/v42n6p30.pdf

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SACC now has a series of proposals (#448-454, Aug 2010) to follow changes resulting from the 51st Supplement:
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCproproster.html
SACC proposal #453 to recognise parulid genus Oreothlypis failed to pass 3 Jan 2011:
www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop453.html
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SA...ntChanges.html

So NACC/Cornell & SACC agree to disagree on this one.

Revised SACC proposal #453x to recognise genus Leiothlypis (as per failed NACC proposal 2009-B-3):
www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop453x.html

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Reflections on the 51st Supplement

Hess 2011: News and Notes: Going Beyond Genetics. Birding 43(1): 26-27.
www.aba.org/birding/v43n1p26.pdf

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Hess 2011: News and Notes: Going Beyond Genetics. Birding 43(1): 26-27.
www.aba.org/birding/v43n1p26.pdf

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Good, thoughtful stuff.
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