A micro and another (1 Viewer)

robmeades

Well-known member

• Jun 25, 2006

• #1

Two for ID from the trap last night.

We imagine that the micro is easy to identify, but UK Moths is our only reference material for micros and it appears to be down at the moment. Any help is appreciated.

The second one is very dark in colour with a slight orangey tinge and about 15 mm long. We caught one like this exactly a year ago and couldn't identify it then. We hope that this picture is good enough for someone here to point us in the right direction.

 

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tom tams

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• Jun 25, 2006

• #2

1st one is Carcina quercana
2nd looks like a Marbled Minor agg

Tom

 

robmeades

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• Jun 25, 2006

• #3

tom tams said:

1st one is Carcina quercana
2nd looks like a Marbled Minor agg

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Many thanks. The micro is pretty definite. If the 2nd one is Marbled Minor agg then its lighter colours must have worn off. We'd thought that worn moths tended to be lighter in colour rather than be quite as dark as this specimen?

 

tom tams

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• Jun 25, 2006

• #4

Unless it is a Tawny Marbled Minor ?

 

Brian Stone

A Stone chatting

• Jun 25, 2006

• #5

tom tams said:

Unless it is a Tawny Marbled Minor ?

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Probably is but without reference to the genitalia it will have to remain an agg. of the three species. Just a sad fact with these Rob.

 

B

Bird-lover

New member

• Jun 25, 2006

• #6

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robmeades

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• Jun 25, 2006

• #7

brianhstone said:

Probably is but without reference to the genitalia it will have to remain an agg. of the three species. Just a sad fact with these Rob.

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It was more that we'd seen "worn" as generally meaning "lighter in colour" as well as "with fewer distinguishing marks". So seeing a very dark moth we didn't automatically think that it was worn, we were looking for an ID for a dark moth with orangey patches. What we've gathered from this conversation is that in some cases we can expect the white bits to wear off leaving a dark (but worn) moth.

 

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Brian Stone

A Stone chatting

• Jun 25, 2006

• #8

Nothing to do with wear. All three difficult Oligas come in white-barred and varying melanistic types which are largely dark all over. FWIW the orangy tones make it likely this is Tawny Marbled Minor but you can't be sure without asking Private Parts.

BTW can anyone explain post #6?

 

robmeades

Well-known member

• Jun 25, 2006

• #9

brianhstone said:

Nothing to do with wear...
...BTW can anyone explain post #6?

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So basically this "appearance" thing is only skin deep, so to speak, and you need to look at their nadgers to tell one from t'other. Makes life difficult for the amateur identifier. Roll on the universal hand-held DNA-based identifier of all living things.

As to post #6, not a clue, we were hoping someone else would be able to enlighten us.

 

tom tams

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• Jun 25, 2006

• #10

BTW can anyone explain post #6?[/QUOTE]

Lost me.

Must of had to much of the old loopy juice.

 

Brian Stone

A Stone chatting

• Jun 25, 2006

• #11

Phew! Just thought I'd missed the joke.

 

robmeades

Well-known member

• Jun 25, 2006

• #12

brianhstone said:

Phew! Just thought I'd missed the joke.

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Something similar over at post #12 in http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=61089. Definitely on the loopy juice.