Graham Osborne
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I'd rather not try an Ultravid in case it makes me dissatisfied with the Zeiss!
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Can a small bino really deliver? (1 Viewer)
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Kevin Purcell
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This is the one area that compacts can fall down if only because the small exit pupil doesn't take the edge of field glare well outside of your eye's pupil.
The 2.5mm to 4mm exit pupil makes a difference to glare and "usability" not brightness. Glare the real reason to prefer 6mm exit pupils (well that and reduced shake and increased brightness from the reduced magnification).
A modern 6x20 from any of the top four makers would be an interesting bin with a 3.3mm exit pupil. Unfortunately the market for compacts seems to be driven by 8x and 10x magnifications. It would be a great carry along too. Ideal for use from moving vehicles, canoes/kayaks and so on.
I agree as I would be interested, but I also think there is a counter-intuitive element with compacts, namely the 10x25 which is the "big" compact. I find I can use a 10x25 in more adverse (ie, darker) conditions than an 8x20, due I'm assuming to twilight factor. Therefore I wonder if a 6x20 would be worse than an 8x20 and not better in that regard. However, I think you may have been more speaking to glare control than to overall performance.
Kevin Purcell
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I'm not worried about twilight use as the increased magnification at a constant exit pupil will always win at twilight at the cost of more shake and more weight.
I was thinking more about reducing glare, improving handling ergonomics and enabling a different range of uses. It would make a useful complementary bin rather than a similar but smaller bin.
Heck, one could add a 6x20 into the current range. Zeiss and others have made them in the past.
I was thinking more about reducing glare, improving handling ergonomics and enabling a different range of uses. It would make a useful complementary bin rather than a similar but smaller bin.
Heck, one could add a 6x20 into the current range. Zeiss and others have made them in the past.
KorHaan
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Speaking of ergonomics,
How does the idea of a wristwatch-compact sound? A compact worn in the way you wear a wristwatch.
Just popped to my mind. Has this been done?
It's conveniently straight-forward in use, quick, handsfree. Hm....
What do you all think? Advantages vs. disadvantages?
Best regards,
Ronald
looksharp65
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KorHaan,
nice try! Always inspiring with people who think outside the box.
However I see major disadvantages - the act of holding the binoculars, always with the same arm, with no way to adjust the position of the elbow, will be very tiresome.
Furthermore, there is a risk that the wrist will hit the nose when you try to get close to the binoculars, unless they have a huge eye relief.
At last, the binoculars are very prone to get damaged when they are kept in that position, compared to having them on the chest or in a pocket.
I know, because I have a number of wrist-watches that have had peculiar scratches, despite the fact that I consider myself a careful and calm person.
But don't stop the creative thinking of yours! One day you will get that smashing idea that will erase any competition.
Kind regards
looksharp65
nice try! Always inspiring with people who think outside the box.
However I see major disadvantages - the act of holding the binoculars, always with the same arm, with no way to adjust the position of the elbow, will be very tiresome.
Furthermore, there is a risk that the wrist will hit the nose when you try to get close to the binoculars, unless they have a huge eye relief.
At last, the binoculars are very prone to get damaged when they are kept in that position, compared to having them on the chest or in a pocket.
I know, because I have a number of wrist-watches that have had peculiar scratches, despite the fact that I consider myself a careful and calm person.
But don't stop the creative thinking of yours! One day you will get that smashing idea that will erase any competition.
Kind regards
looksharp65
james holdsworth
Consulting Biologist
Why not have them ''mounted'' to your wrist, a la wristwatch, but detatchable, either fully with a disconnect button, or partially........they could have a low tension retractable cord like a dog leash?
Just thinking out loud here........ :-O
Kevin Purcell
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I think you are thinking of birding with a porter or a sherpa ...
KorHaan
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Well,
You could wear them left or right, no problem. Would it be more tiresome?
Maybe, maybe not. Would they have a bigger chance to get damaged in this exposed position? It depends on what activities you're likely to get yourself involved in. Besides, aren't the alpha compacts tough as nails?
I'm not blind for the disadvantages, but I'd like to contemplate a bit over the supposed advantages.
You have your hands free.
No dangling bins on the chest.
Probably a steadier view? I always found my thumbs to be the major cause for more shake when holding bins the usual way. Anyone who tried the "thumbs-up" grip knows what I mean.
Those with big hands could handle a compact worn on the wrist.
The alleged disadvantage of your nose getting in the way I don't see;
I think it's an advantage to get a more steady view, or it's at most a non-issue, I believe.
I don't see why particularly small compacts couldn't be worn this way.
Think 6x20; 5x15; 8x20, even.
And what about monoculars? They might be even better suited for the wrist.
Best regards,
Ronald
KorHaan
Well-known member
Yes,
Detachable is a nice suggestion; you'd only need some small platform to mount the compacts. Maybe a wrist band connected to a broad elastic loop on top in which you can tighten the binnies.
Just thinking out loud, too B
Best regards,
Ronald
KorHaan
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Aha! The pistol-up-your-sleeve rail-gadget from "Taxidriver".
Wide sleeves required, but the compact pops out with the swing of an arm!
:-O
Best regards,
Ronald
Graham Osborne
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KorHaan
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Super Dave
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It's time for me to try a compact. I can't try before I buy so resale is a consideration. Is one of these below a better deal / clear winner?
Both are in excellent condition.
Trinovid 8x20 BCA #40354 $290
Zeiss Victory 8x20 #522075 $355
Thanks,
Dave
Update....just pulled the trigger on the Trinovids...
Both are in excellent condition.
Trinovid 8x20 BCA #40354 $290
Zeiss Victory 8x20 #522075 $355
Thanks,
Dave
Update....just pulled the trigger on the Trinovids...
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Val & Rex
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Hi.:hi:
A few years ago,Val bought some 10x25 Zeiss, the problem was locating birds in trees,if the subject stayed around for her to locate it, then the result could not be faulted.
So lower magnification the better with compacts, is the answer in my opinion.
Regards
Rex :t:
A few years ago,Val bought some 10x25 Zeiss, the problem was locating birds in trees,if the subject stayed around for her to locate it, then the result could not be faulted.
So lower magnification the better with compacts, is the answer in my opinion.
Regards
Rex :t:
Super Dave
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I wanted to give an update now that I've had a 8x20 Trinovid BCA for a little while. They definately deliver a good view. I went with those since they fold up into the smallest package out of the different choices.
I got them used from Amazon and the transaction was great.
Thanks for the input.
Dave
I got them used from Amazon and the transaction was great.
Thanks for the input.
Dave
harold9649
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I also agree with Dave i bought a 8x20 Tinovid and i think they are excellent goes into my shirt pocket and the view is very sharp infact on a bright day it is as good if not better than my Nikon Monarch 8x42 .However i do wear glasses and the eye relief is much better on the Monarch than the Trinovid.
I beleive the Ulravids are even better but obviously a lot more expensive.
Harold
I beleive the Ulravids are even better but obviously a lot more expensive.
Harold
" and the view is very sharp in fact on a bright day it is as good if not better than my Nikon Monarch 8x42"
I have to disagree with that statement! Sorry but I never found the Leica 8x20 Trinovids equal optically to the Nikon 8x42 Monarch. I found the Monarch superior in all respects. Just my opinion.
