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Conquest 8x30 Review (1 Viewer)

Zeiss Conquest 8x30: A very quick review.
I’m just rushing-off a subjective and non-technical first impression before leaving on a year-long South Pacific trip with my 2 month old 8x30 Conquests as first choice even though I have Swarovski and Leica models costing over £1000 in the cupboard. Perhaps that says something about Zeiss’s quirky, inexpensive little model. They are total FUN! I’m sure there’s better optics around, and they’ll certainly never approach the dazzling image of 8x32 Ultravids, but these little bins just FEEL so great in the hand that I just want to keep fondling them. The rubber armouring and claddings are thick, squidgey and sticky. The body is curved superbly to the natural shape of the hand, even though it looks plain and ugly. In common with Zeiss’s current obsession with whacky lop-sided designs, the ‘zero’ pointer for the focus wheel and the far-end dioptre wheel are not in the centre, but 30 degrees clockwise and unmarked by any white dot or line. The dioptre wheel clicks into a deep ‘zero’ notch that is so heavy it feels like the Grand Canyon. Annoyingly the wheel ‘falls’ back into the notch when set at small distance past the centre for my eyes. The ‘jizz’ of the binoculars is that of a little chunky indestructible sorbo rubber dog toy. Everything is thick black plastic and ‘wine gum’ feeling rubber. When dropped amongst rocks on a beach breakwater the bins bounced, joggled and ricocheted from stone to stone like a power ball, emerging from a saltwater pool covered in sand but undamaged. After a wash in the toilet washbasin with liquid hand soap and a nailbrush they looked new again and a good day’s birding was enjoyed. That sums-up the mechanical characteristics. So good that I’ve accepted the optics, and am prepared to tolerate some shortcomings. Rather like a girl with a fantastic body and a face like a pig’s bum!
Optics? Odd, but not awful. At £300 I must admit that you get much more ‘bang for your buck’ with a £60 pair of Nikon porroprisms. A lot more. Lens flare exists in milky profusion in a circumferential halo all around the circle of view, almost all the time. This appears to be generated by internal reflections of the moving object lenses inside, appearing reflected on the inside surface of the glass at the object end of the bins. I say the inside of the “glass” because on brief examination, the object end appears to be a pair of T* coated plain glass discs, not lenses. Slap me if I’m wrong Mister Zeiss, but these discs appear to be just seals or ‘windows’ at the end of the tubes that protect the lenses moving on the rails inside? Whatever they are, they project internal reflections. Otherwise the field of view is very large, visibly wider than Swarovski EL 8.5x42 which are quoted to be 7.4 degrees. This would make the Conquests approx 8.5 degrees wide! Depth of focus is better than any other binocular that I’ve found. Brill for my stiff old eyes, and meaning that the focus wheel hardly gets used. Brightness is very good, but not as dazzling as the ‘vision of angels’ brilliance of Ultravids. No colour fringing is detectable, colour rendition is neutral to slightly blue. But the image looks SMALL! I just can’t explain that. A distant brick for example, looked the size of a shoebox in my 10x bins. With three other makes of 8x bins the brick appeared the size of a paperback book. But in the 8x Conquests, the brick looks the size of a pack of 20 Benson&Hedges tabs. How come? I just can’t answer that. But if I wasn’t reading the label on the box, I’d have said that these glasses were really 6 or 7x magnification, not 8x. I’m confused by this impression. How can the image look so small, when the magnification is the same? Moving on to the accessories, the case is quality badged black canvas, but with no strap and rather thin padding. Strap is ergonomically curved wide black neoprene, better than the other top makers straight ones, and the rainguard is the best ‘separate cups’ example I’ve used. However, Zeiss can also supply the traditional ‘tin bath’ shaped single cup model for £5.99 if preferred.
Reading my own review I just don’t know why I love these binoculars so much. They’re a slightly ‘Jekyll and Hyde’ instrument. With this many definable imperfections, they don’t sound very good value do they? Maybe not. But you do get three pairs for the price of one Ultravid so I won’t be crying if I lose them. I just can’t put my finger on what constitutes the joy of ownership here. It sure isn’t ‘street cred’ these days when Zeiss have ‘lost the plot’ as a colleague once put it. But just hug a pair for a day and you’ll find yourself having a weekend affair with them while your expensive ones are left at home watching TV. In my case this could be heading for a divorce……….
 
Zeiss Conquest 8x30: A very quick review.
I’m just rushing-off a subjective and non-technical first impression before leaving on a year-long South Pacific trip with my 2 month old 8x30 Conquests as first choice even though I have Swarovski and Leica models costing over £1000 in the cupboard. Perhaps that says something about Zeiss’s quirky, inexpensive little model. They are total FUN! I’m sure there’s better optics around, and they’ll certainly never approach the dazzling image of 8x32 Ultravids, but these little bins just FEEL so great in the hand that I just want to keep fondling them. The rubber armouring and claddings are thick, squidgey and sticky. The body is curved superbly to the natural shape of the hand, even though it looks plain and ugly. In common with Zeiss’s current obsession with whacky lop-sided designs, the ‘zero’ pointer for the focus wheel and the far-end dioptre wheel are not in the centre, but 30 degrees clockwise and unmarked by any white dot or line. The dioptre wheel clicks into a deep ‘zero’ notch that is so heavy it feels like the Grand Canyon. Annoyingly the wheel ‘falls’ back into the notch when set at small distance past the centre for my eyes. The ‘jizz’ of the binoculars is that of a little chunky indestructible sorbo rubber dog toy. Everything is thick black plastic and ‘wine gum’ feeling rubber. When dropped amongst rocks on a beach breakwater the bins bounced, joggled and ricocheted from stone to stone like a power ball, emerging from a saltwater pool covered in sand but undamaged. After a wash in the toilet washbasin with liquid hand soap and a nailbrush they looked new again and a good day’s birding was enjoyed. That sums-up the mechanical characteristics. So good that I’ve accepted the optics, and am prepared to tolerate some shortcomings. Rather like a girl with a fantastic body and a face like a pig’s bum!
Optics? Odd, but not awful. At £300 I must admit that you get much more ‘bang for your buck’ with a £60 pair of Nikon porroprisms. A lot more. Lens flare exists in milky profusion in a circumferential halo all around the circle of view, almost all the time. This appears to be generated by internal reflections of the moving object lenses inside, appearing reflected on the inside surface of the glass at the object end of the bins. I say the inside of the “glass” because on brief examination, the object end appears to be a pair of T* coated plain glass discs, not lenses. Slap me if I’m wrong Mister Zeiss, but these discs appear to be just seals or ‘windows’ at the end of the tubes that protect the lenses moving on the rails inside? Whatever they are, they project internal reflections. Otherwise the field of view is very large, visibly wider than Swarovski EL 8.5x42 which are quoted to be 7.4 degrees. This would make the Conquests approx 8.5 degrees wide! Depth of focus is better than any other binocular that I’ve found. Brill for my stiff old eyes, and meaning that the focus wheel hardly gets used. Brightness is very good, but not as dazzling as the ‘vision of angels’ brilliance of Ultravids. No colour fringing is detectable, colour rendition is neutral to slightly blue. But the image looks SMALL! I just can’t explain that. A distant brick for example, looked the size of a shoebox in my 10x bins. With three other makes of 8x bins the brick appeared the size of a paperback book. But in the 8x Conquests, the brick looks the size of a pack of 20 Benson&Hedges tabs. How come? I just can’t answer that. But if I wasn’t reading the label on the box, I’d have said that these glasses were really 6 or 7x magnification, not 8x. I’m confused by this impression. How can the image look so small, when the magnification is the same? Moving on to the accessories, the case is quality badged black canvas, but with no strap and rather thin padding. Strap is ergonomically curved wide black neoprene, better than the other top makers straight ones, and the rainguard is the best ‘separate cups’ example I’ve used. However, Zeiss can also supply the traditional ‘tin bath’ shaped single cup model for £5.99 if preferred.
Reading my own review I just don’t know why I love these binoculars so much. They’re a slightly ‘Jekyll and Hyde’ instrument. With this many definable imperfections, they don’t sound very good value do they? Maybe not. But you do get three pairs for the price of one Ultravid so I won’t be crying if I lose them. I just can’t put my finger on what constitutes the joy of ownership here. It sure isn’t ‘street cred’ these days when Zeiss have ‘lost the plot’ as a colleague once put it. But just hug a pair for a day and you’ll find yourself having a weekend affair with them while your expensive ones are left at home watching TV. In my case this could be heading for a divorce……….

i think a cold shower would be in order. does sound like love though.
 
The 8x30 are a pretty handy pair. I would not say the same for the 10x30. Both are good weight, I sort of like 20 0z and no more.

There are not that many offerings in the 8x30 and 8x32 category I like. I am quite used to the EO 8x32 so I do not bother with its faults. The 8x30 would be an impreovement in sweet spot.
 
Zeiss Conquest 8x30: A very quick review.
(...) In my case this could be heading for a divorce……….

Dear Paul!
Great report. Entertaining to read, valuable and timely, as I am currently thinking about getting a C8x30 ..... or maybe a Diafun 8x30 as an affordable high quality glass.

Beware the taifuns, the sharks and the head-hunters (and the occasional french nuclear bomb) in the South Sea.
Tom
 
Zeiss Conquest 8x30: ... these little bins just FEEL so great in the hand that I just want to keep fondling them. The rubber armouring and claddings are thick, squidgey and sticky. The body is curved superbly... The ‘jizz’ of the binoculars is... Rather like a girl with a fantastic body and a face like a pig’s bum! ...Slap me if I’m wrong ...just hug a pair for a day and you’ll find yourself having a weekend affair with them... In my case this could be heading for a divorce……….

You need to get yourself a girl, mate!!
 
Trip Review: Southwest Pacific

Well, here in Vanuatu with my little Conquests now. Been to many Pacific islands and had long tour around NZ. The 8x30's have survived heavy long-drop abuse. They've also fallen into a cow-pat so that only the strap was showing, and been down a crevasse on a glacier. On some occasions, village children had grabbed them and taken them off to play-with.
Verdict?
After a good wash, my little toys are as good as new. One South African wader specialist I met addressed me as "the man with the little binoculars" until she got a look through them. Best she'd ever seen, she reckoned. I left her feeling fed up because she'd just spent a large percentage of her money on a BIG pair of 'other' binoculars, but could see far more detail by borrowing the little bouncy rubber toys of "the man with the little binoculars"!
And no strain on the neck.
They're so resilient that I abandoned the protective case back in New Zealand. This is how a tough and reliable instrument really should be. Haven't enjoyed a pair of bins this much since the 70's. At last, I'm free to be me, without worrying about some piece of metal hanging off my chest.
It took a long time to reach enlightenment!
Paul
 
Well, here in Vanuatu with my little Conquests now. Been to many Pacific islands and had long tour around NZ. The 8x30's have survived heavy long-drop abuse. They've also fallen into a cow-pat so that only the strap was showing, and been down a crevasse on a glacier. On some occasions, village children had grabbed them and taken them off to play-with.
Verdict?
After a good wash, my little toys are as good as new. One South African wader specialist I met addressed me as "the man with the little binoculars" until she got a look through them. Best she'd ever seen, she reckoned. I left her feeling fed up because she'd just spent a large percentage of her money on a BIG pair of 'other' binoculars, but could see far more detail by borrowing the little bouncy rubber toys of "the man with the little binoculars"!
And no strain on the neck.
They're so resilient that I abandoned the protective case back in New Zealand. This is how a tough and reliable instrument really should be. Haven't enjoyed a pair of bins this much since the 70's. At last, I'm free to be me, without worrying about some piece of metal hanging off my chest.
It took a long time to reach enlightenment!
Paul


Paul,

Good report! I've been saying the same thing about my FL's, (being as tough as nails), for the last three years...subjectively viewed as tough or tougher than my BN's, to this point at least..long term durability remains to be determined. However, my testing has not been nearly as "interesting" or varied as yours. For example, no dreaded, "unsurvivable" cow patty tests have been performed on my FL's at this juncture. I understand that the barrels, hinge, eyepieces and covering look OK on your Conquest sample, but how do your exterior lens surfaces look after exposure to so many interesting terrain features and rough handling venues? Any world class scratches?

I hear that the new Lotu Tec, which you and I DO NOT have, defeats cow poop without rinsing! Is that your understanding? Perhaps Sancho can comment.

Once again, thanks for the well written follow-up report. I'm sure that Sancho or some other knowledgeable individual will be along soon, so I'll return the microphone to its stand, for now.
 
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Paul, I understand that the barrels, hinge, eyepieces and covering look OK on your Conquest sample, but how do your exterior lens surfaces look after exposure to so many interesting terrain features and rough handling venues? Any world class scratches?

Thanks for the nice comments, Wmcco! Yes, the exterior looks as good as new. ie.it's plasticey, coarse and heavilly rubbered. No beauty queen, but it certainly hasn't got any worse! I guess the fact that there's no paint on them in the first place makes them look less damaged than a metal pair with the black paint chipped and scratched?
The glass is gleaming crystal perfect, however. Still glows with unblemished deep purple T* coated clarity. But I put this down to my fetish-like devotion to my own personal cleaning regeime.
The bins are never wiped during the day's outings. If they get soiled, too bad - they stay dirty until I'm home and can get to good clean tap water, a new clean towel or freshly laundered soft cotton teeshirt, and a bottle of shampoo or washing-up liquid. I sluice the lenses under strong jets of tap water, then gently spread shampoo or washing-up liquid over the glass. This is again blasted off with water, taking all particles and greasy marks with it. Drying is done as tenderly as I'd treat my baby's eyeball. Only use freshly laundered towel or cotton teeshirt to gently soak up any trace of moisture in the lens edges after blowing-off the bulk with by mouth. Then finish with feather-light final wipe after applying steam from my breath again. Then do not touch again, even if you see some annoying microscopic grain of dust!
(bet I'll break them tomorrow now, as retribution for my boasting, ha ha!)
cheers Paul
 
Thanks for the nice review Paul. Sounds like you're definately in love with them. :cool:

In your oppinion (or anyone elses) do these 8x30 Conquest have any close competition within their price range?

Thanks
 
I think they do have competition. There are a number of 8x32s that are just as good, I am not sure of exact names just now, but Minox and Pentax models. In the same under 700 price class.

The 10x30 is a bit unique, I have yet to see it. It may have some use, maybe a bit limited.

In particular my main complaint is the Conquest eye cups, see my thread under Zeiss.
 
In your oppinion (or anyone elses) do these 8x30 Conquest have any close competition within their price range?

Hi Patriot
Yes, Tero's right. Quite a few models. Minox would be a good starter. But are they genuine German made these days? (someone else join in and tell us please....). There's plenty of Japanese ones that seem similar price and size, but in my personal experience the oriental models all seem to deteriorate optically much faster than German products.
Once you move away from the 8x30 or 8x32 format there's tons to choose from, but maybe that's not a fair comparison? I tried a $160 Nikon 10x50 porro model in a small town pharmacy in New Zealand, and they were great. Almost as good as 10x50 Leicas, and lighter. Had rubber armouring and looked good on the day. Dunno how long they'd have stayed that way? I remember getting a pair of Jap made Bushnell 10x40BWCF in the early 80's. They were optically comparable to my Zeiss Dialyts the day I bought em. But two years later...... don't ask!
The 'standard' in our format has to be the Leica Ultravid 8x32 of course, but they're triple the price and overshadowed by possibly developing the 'juddery focus wheel fault'. Fabulous, just fabulous, when not faulty.
But the Conquest 10x30 is one of the worst glasses I've ever looked through. The retailer I got my 8x from reckoned they outsell the 10x at least 12-to-one, which is no surprise when you look (or try to look!) through them. In my humble opinion it would be wiser if Zeiss were to withdraw them all from sale quickly before they totally discredit themselves as a manufacturer of high quality optics. Terrible. Yet Leica manage to acheive a superb glass in that size.
So, does anyone know where the Minox are made? If it's Germany, we might have a contender for the throne!
cheers Paul
 
Hi Patriot
Yes, Tero's right. Quite a few models. Minox would be a good starter. But are they genuine German made these days? (someone else join in and tell us please....).

So, does anyone know where the Minox are made? If it's Germany, we might have a contender for the throne!
cheers Paul


Minox?
Compete with Zeiss?
What a ridiculous idea!

Go here:
http://www.leica-camera.de/service/downloads/binoculars_for_hunting/ultravid_32/index.html
download
stiftung warentest 9/2006 test
and look at the numbers.

Minox are leading the back-front.
In this country no-one understands how they god a reputation in the first place.
No-one knows where their dubious things come from. Bangladesh or a place nearby, I suppose.

Tom
 
But the Conquest 10x30 is one of the worst glasses I've ever looked through. The retailer I got my 8x from reckoned they outsell the 10x at least 12-to-one, which is no surprise when you look (or try to look!) through them.

This would seem to tie up with the poor reputation of the 15x45 Conquest (same eyepieces as 10x30?) and the comparative popularity of the 12x45 (analogous to 8x30).

John
 
Minox? Compete with Zeiss? In this country no-one understands how they got a reputation in the first place. No-one knows where their dubious things come from. Bangladesh or a place nearby, I suppose. Tom

Ah well Patriot, there's our reply! Thanks Thola.
So I guess the answer to your question is no. There doesn't seem to be a competitor to the Conquest 8x30 in that price range.
Must admit that I didn't think so, but one has to keep an open mind......?
cheers Paul
 
Ah well Patriot, there's our reply! Thanks Thola.
So I guess the answer to your question is no. There doesn't seem to be a competitor to the Conquest 8x30 in that price range.
Must admit that I didn't think so, but one has to keep an open mind......?
cheers Paul


Maybe the new Pentax ED is?
http://www.eagleoptics.com/index.asp?pid=4886

Can't say, as there's no opportunity for comparison in this country.

Tom
 
Still Good

These little toys are still going strong. Just returned from a rainforest trip, great. I even lend them to my 7-year-old cousin to take out with his first New Zealand field guide I bought him for his birthday. They're so chunky and light that the kid can manage them. If he drops them I don't even 'stress out' about it. They're so tough and bouncy that they haven't suffered any damage YET ( ! ) and quite honestly, I wouldn't give a sh*t if they did get bent. They've got full Zeiss warranty, and at the price, I'd just buy some more while they were getting fixed. I dropped them down the marble steps of a luxury apartment in Taupo this weekend too. Who needs a rugby ball to kick around?
Binocs like these are like buying a Lada but being given a Landcruiser for the same price. This really is a 'no lose situation'.
I know that my opinions here represent 'swimming upstream' in the world of binocular fashion, but these little glasses have released me to enjoy what I see though them, rather than having to look AT them all day.
Paul the cheap and uncool binocular owner!
 
Hi Paul, Thanks for the update, this makes me want to consider these.

" I wouldn't give a sh*t if they did get bent. They've got full Zeiss warranty, and at the price, I'd just buy some more while they were getting fixed. I dropped them down the marble steps of a luxury apartment in Taupo this weekend too. Who needs a rugby ball to kick around?"
I don't know Paul, but you might be a binocular makers worst nightmare.:)

Regards,Steve
 
Hi Patriot
Yes, Tero's right. There's plenty of Japanese ones that seem similar price and size, but in my personal experience the oriental models all seem to deteriorate optically much faster than German products.
I remember getting a pair of Jap made Bushnell 10x40BWCF in the early 80's. They were optically comparable to my Zeiss Dialyts the day I bought em. But two years later...... don't ask!
So, does anyone know where the Minox are made? If it's Germany, we might have a contender for the throne!
cheers Paul

A QUICK NOTE ON THE ABOVE DISCUSSION:
See other thread, as I don't wish to do any duplication here. This thread is purely a review of the binocs performance, not their origin. But please be aware that it has come to light that Zeiss appear to have made these in an East European country, and removed all labelling to this effect, giving the misleading impression that they are in fact genuine German products.
Sure, they're still the great little binos that I'm so pleased with. But they seem to have been sold under less-than-honest conditions! I'm very displeased to discover this.
Please reply on that subject only on the 'Made in Germany?' thread. Many thanks.
Paul
 
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