trio of unknown hawks st joseph island ontario canada (1 Viewer)

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simongodfrey

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• Apr 24, 2017

• #1

pic 1 - unknown hawk
pic 2 - a different unknown hawk
pic 3, 4, 5 - another different unknown hawk

i realize these pics might not be good enough to actually ID them but giving it a shot anyways lol thanx 4 help

 

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Jeff Hopkins

Just another...observer

• Apr 24, 2017

• #2

#2 is a harrier.

The others are tough. I get a broad-wing feel for #1 and red-shoulder for #3-5, but those are really just guesses.

 

RJP

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• Apr 24, 2017

• #3

I agree with Jeff. #3,4,5 is a fairly long-tailed bird, so not a Red-tailed. RSHA seems reasonable.

 

Nutcracker

Stop Brexit!

• Apr 24, 2017

• #4

Not convinced #2 is a harrier; no white rump, and fairly broad wings. Guessing a Buteo, but not sure which one.

 

Rapala

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #5

Agree with Harrier for #2. Not much to go on for #1, and I'm not sure about #3-5.

 

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ceasar

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #6

I like Harrier for #2 because of the white rump and the angle of the wings.

 

Nutcracker

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #7

ceasar said:

I like Harrier for #2 because of the white rump and the angle of the wings.

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It's not a white rump, it's white under-tail coverts. The rump is plain grey.

 

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simongodfrey

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #8

Nutcracker said:

It's not a white rump, it's white under-tail coverts. The rump is plain grey.

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It definitely wasn't flying like a harrier and I'm good at IDing them in the field

 

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Sangahyando

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #9

simongodfrey said:

It definitely wasn't flying like a harrier and I'm good at IDing them in the field

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I think the peculiar wing shape and pattern looks good for Broad-winged Hawk, as does the tail banding, as far as I can see. Not a harrier for me, either.

 

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ceasar

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #10

Nutcracker said:

It's not a white rump, it's white under-tail coverts. The rump is plain grey.

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Then see picture #3. Could that small white patch showing at the base of the tail be the white under-tail coverts of a Cooper's Hawk?

I saw that yesterday real clearly on one that was flying around my neighborhood.

 

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simongodfrey

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #11

ceasar said:

Then see picture #3. Could that small white patch showing at the base of the tail be the white under-tail coverts of a Cooper's Hawk?

I saw that yesterday real clearly on one that was flying around my neighborhood.

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Cooper's hawk was the impression the guy I was with got for #2 but it was flying fast so we only got a few seconds to watch it and he wasnt totally sure, just his impression

 

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Sangahyando

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #12

ceasar said:

Then see picture #3. Could that small white patch showing at the base of the tail be the white under-tail coverts of a Cooper's Hawk?

I saw that yesterday real clearly on one that was flying around my neighborhood.

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Then how do you explain the dark trailing edge of the wings, plus the distinctive protruding "joint" between primaries and secondaries, the shape of the wing tip, and the not-so-long tail? I think you are focusing too much on one detail at the expense of several others. Many raptors have pale UTCs.

 

stuartelsom

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #13

The overall shape of 2, combined with dark trailing edge and pinched-in hand are all drawing me towards Broad-winged Hawk. It does not feel long-winged or long-tailed enough for Northern Harrier, certainly from what we can see in the photographs anyway.

 

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ceasar

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #14

Sangahyando said:

Then how do you explain the dark trailing edge of the wings, plus the distinctive protruding "joint" between primaries and secondaries, the shape of the wing tip, and the not-so-long tail? I think you are focusing too much on one detail at the expense of several others. Many raptors have pale UTCs.

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Can you tell me if that white patch is the UTC of the bird or if it is a photographic artifact? It seems to appear in picture #5 too.

 

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ceasar

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• Apr 25, 2017

• #15

Nutcracker said:

It's not a white rump, it's white under-tail coverts. The rump is plain grey.

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In Wheeler's RAPTORS of North America he uses the phrase "white uppertail coverts" instead of rump when pointing it out in his photographs of Northern Harriers.