Mastermind 14 - the leftovers (1 Viewer)

Jane Turner · Nov 20, 2003

All WP

Now its time for someone else to get out their pics! So much easier with the rapid uploads!

Bluetail · Nov 20, 2003

Ah, pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey time again! As usual, not at all confident about any of these, but:

1. Buzzard
2. Willow Warbler
3. House Martin
4. Hmm.... Bit worried about those underparts, but I don't think it's a Southern Grey, so I'll go for Great Grey Shrike.

Michael Frankis · Nov 20, 2003

Can't disagree with the above for 1, 2, 3, but would say Southern Grey Shrike for #4

Jane Turner · Nov 20, 2003

Of course I can't comment, it would give way too much away. There needs to be two more differing answers before there is enough doubt and randomness!

If Jason has more than Michael or v.v then you have the id of 4 confirmed. If they have the same then you can rule out both Shrikes and know exactly how many of the rest are right or wrong.

Edward woodwood · Nov 20, 2003

aint that a Lesser Grey?

Geoff Pain · Nov 20, 2003

Yes I 'll go for Lesser Grey for number 4.

Michael Frankis · Nov 20, 2003

I reckoned (a) the bill is too long for LGS, and (b) the forehead too pale, too far forward.

Good thing we were told 'all WP' - otherwise I might have gone for Loggerhead Shrike . . . but it is a very good match for the meridionalis in the Collins Bird Guide

Michael

Bluetail · Nov 20, 2003

Michael Frankis said:
I reckoned (a) the bill is too long for LGS, and (b) the forehead too pale, too far forward.

Agreed. And I don't think the primary:tail ratio is right for LGS either.

Now I've thumbed me books I'm reminded that SGS has a much narrower white super than GGS, so I guess you're right on that one.

Jason

HH75 · Nov 20, 2003

1)Common Buzzard
2)Willow Warbler
3)House Martin
4)Southern Grey Shrike of race meridionalis
Michael,great minds think alike....

Harry H

Edward woodwood · Nov 20, 2003

I've always been in the remedial class chaps! :-C Makes you pair look smart though so be grateful!

agree prims, bill and tail don't look like LGS but I thought Jane was dropping a subtle hint it wasn't GGS or SGS so went for the only other option of female LGS with the reduced black forecrown......From pic I though bit pale above for meridionalis and can't see any white over super?

better get my shrikes book out and do some extra reading...... :news:

Darrell Clegg · Nov 20, 2003

May be a silly question but can someone tell me why that isn't a Red-backed Shrike???

Darrell

Michael Frankis · Nov 20, 2003

Good point Darrell, I'm struggling to think - I suppose it 'looks too big', but that can be very confusing. Will try a bit of photoshopping on it . . .

Michael

Michael Frankis · Nov 20, 2003

Yeah, there's a definite grey head / brown mantle contrast visible when it is lightened up - Red-backed it is

Well spotted Darrell!

Michael

Bluetail · Nov 20, 2003

Doesn't Red-backed have a shorter, more bulging bill (more rounded lower mandible)?

Jason

Edward woodwood · Nov 21, 2003

good work gents!

these pix are a nightmare!!!...but we love em

Jane Turner · Nov 21, 2003

One species hasn't been named yet.

Jane Turner · Nov 21, 2003

Not actually showing any more than the previous pic... but you will all get it this time

Bluetail · Nov 21, 2003

Eenie meenie miney mo....

1. Buzzard
2. Chiffchaff
3. House Martin
4. Southern Grey Shrike (still don't think the bill's right for Red-backed)

Joern Lehmhus · Nov 21, 2003

Why isnt that

Buzzard
Chifchaff
Redrumped swallow
redbacked shrike

Thats what I was thinking uploading the pics

Jane Turner · Nov 21, 2003

It is... well done

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