Please help ID (1 Viewer)

Hello everybody,

Please can you help me ID this cute bird?

Picture was taken in Southern Brazil, Minas Gerais state, at the mountains about 1.400 mts height.

Any help is super appreciated!
thank you!

Deca,
Not sure on this one, but coloring looks very much like a Kingbird (although bill looks a little small). You have four varieties in Brazil, but I can rule out Eastern and Gray Kingbirds, leaving Tropical and White-throated Kingbirds. from the white throat that we can see on your photo, I'm going to guess White-throated Kingbird.

I couldn't find an image on the web to compare to, so if someone can verify with a field guide or image from their collection it would help.

Good luck,

Jeff,
The link you gave has an excellent photo, but the underside is much more yellow than on Deca's bird so I think we're going to have to wait on the experts.

Photo: White-throated Kingbird

Thanks

Dave B Smith said:

Jeff,
The link you gave has an excellent photo, but the underside is much more yellow than on Deca's bird so I think we're going to have to wait on the experts.

Photo: White-throated Kingbird

Thanks

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Oops deleted both posts. My original guess was Cattle Tyrant, but were still waiting for the experts, they all look the same to me and i usually guess wrong.

Picture on surfbirds of cattle tyrant

jeff said:

Oops deleted both posts. My original guess was Cattle Tyrant, but were still waiting for the experts, they all look the same to me and i usually guess wrong.

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I'm with Jeff here in feeling that this bird is a Cattle Tyrant rather than a Tyrannus kingbird. The mystery bird must simply be crouching down, hiding the considerable leg length from view. The two similar kingbird choices, Tropical and White-throated, both differ in having different proportions, and darker, more patterned wings than the subject bird. A juvenile kingbird might be similarly shaped, but it would still show the very patterned wing coverts. The eyeline of the mystery bird is rather narrow too, especially posterior to the eye. This is much like Cattle Tyrant, and unlike the two kingbird candidates. Also notice that on the mystery bird, the grayish face extends down to include the malar, whereas both of the kingbird choices have whitish malars (part of a more extensive white 'throat' area). This gives a subtly different face pattern. Also, the throats of the two kingbirds are more truly white, where that of the Cattle Tyrant is yellowish (albeit very pale yellow in this example).

White-throated Kingbirds:
http://www.arthurgrosset.com/sabirds/photos/tyralb10487.jpg
http://www.arthurgrosset.com/sabirds/photos/tyralb10488.jpg

Tropical Kingbirds:
http://www.worldbirdingcenter.org/bird_info/images/tropical_kingbird020.jpg

Cattle Tyrants:
http://chandra.as.utexas.edu/~kormendy/brazilss/CattleTyrant-1401ss.jpg
http://www.art-natura.com.ar/birds/10.jpg
http://www.mangoverde.com/birdsound/images/00000005423.jpg

I don't see Cattle Tyrants much these days (or White-throated Kingbirds for that matter) but there are several on the forum that do. What sayeth others? (o)<

Chris

They also look like Cattle Tyrants to me with those very short primary projections. The most unusual about these birds is probably location. Cattles are usually lowland birds, their upper limit goes to about 800 mts (Ridgely & Tudor). Your location at 1.400 mts is sensibly higher.

one picture from Cattle Tyrant, Machetornis rixosus
http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Bruun/cattle_tyrant_3609.jpg