[denco@comcast.n]

Originally Posted by mooreorless

are you sure about that?♪ really, really sure, really sure?

Yes! Until I find something better. I have tried everything though.

[14Goudvink]

Originally Posted by denco@comcast.n

Yes! Until I find something better. I have tried everything though.

I'm sorry Dennis, but you haven't. There is one missing and you know which one I mean ...

BTW It has no rolling ball and a smooth focus, so you can't dismiss it off-hand

[Torview]

This is all pretty moot anyway, the SE is not easily available and if it was its not competent in all weathers so many like myself will opt for fl, sv etc.

Dennis should be ok in Denver, average annual rainfall 402mm, where I am it 2278mm.

[stephen b]

Originally Posted by Torview

This is all pretty moot anyway, the SE is not easily available and if it was its not competent in all weathers so many like myself will opt for fl, sv etc.

Dennis should be ok in Denver, average annual rainfall 402mm, where I am it 2278mm.

Avg. annual rainfall in Western Oregon ranges from 40" (1016 mm) in the Willamette valley floor to up to as much as 180"-200" ( 4572-5000 mm ) in the coastal and Cascade Mountains.

Just where I live ( Mckenzie river valley) it can range from 45" a year to be over 150" just 40 miles away in the western slope of the Cascade Mountains. And those west slope Mountains is where I do a far bit of hunting in the late fall- which is one of the rainiest seasons.

I have a friend who grew up in western Oregon mountain town and now lives in Colorado ( Denver suburb ) and he says it is a world of difference! In fact when he hunts/ camps he uses just a simple floorless tarp for a cover over head, he says he does not have to use any sort of groundsheet under his pad/ sleeping bag, because the ground is so dry. Here if I use a tarp/ tipi type floorless structure, I cannot imagine for most of the year not using a ground sheet of some sort to prevent the ever present ground water from being a factor.

And this is a main reason why the fantastic SE porro may not be everyone's cup of tea.