Scimitar Babbler help please - red or coral (1 Viewer)

delia todd

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• Oct 16, 2017

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I'm told the picture on the Coral-billed Scimitar Babbler page is actually a Red-billed S B.

I don't know which picture is referred to and I'd never dream of querying ID's by either photographer myself:eek!:

Help please! Neither picture seems to show "a longer thinner bill" unless that's the angle of the images, so I'm stuck.

 

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Grahame Walbridge

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• Oct 16, 2017

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delia todd said:

I'm told the picture on the Coral-billed Scimitar Babbler page is actually a Red-billed S B.

I don't know which picture is referred to and I'd never dream of querying ID's by either photographer myself:eek!:

Help please! Neither picture seems to show "a longer thinner bill" unless that's the angle of the images, so I'm stuck.

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Both look OK for Coral-billed IMO. The top bird is nominate ferruginosus while the lower bird should be orientalis on location. As you point out, the bills are too heavy for Red-billed.

http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?Bird_Image_ID=23318&Bird_ID=1500&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=

However, the taxonomy is rather complex and note that HBW have split all but nominate ferruginosus to form Brown-crowned Scimitar-babbler P.phayeri which inc phayeri, stanfordi, formosus, albogularis, orientalis and dickinsoni. IOC currently lump them.

http://www.hbw.com/species/brown-crowned-scimitar-babbler-pomatorhinus-phayrei

Grahame

 

delia todd

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• Oct 16, 2017

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Many thanks Graham.

André is working his way through the latest Clements update, though he's presently in the US. I leave the taxonomy to him LOL

I'll caption those two images with the subspecies information.

Thanks again lad.

 

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Grahame Walbridge

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• Oct 18, 2017

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Delia/Robby,

Seems to be some confusion here as I only looked at the first two images and to which my earlier comments refer too. The third image from Phu Suan Sai NP is clearly a Red-billed.

Grahame

 

Last edited: Oct 18, 2017