[angusmcoatup]

Need more signatures on this

[John Morgan]

Just saw this petition (and signed it) in RSPB's eLetter. There seems to be a steady trickle of signings as it is now moving towards 8,000 - but a long way to go to get the HoC debate trigger of 100,000.

Those of you who are "38degrees" members, or "Avaaz" members could ask those organisations to promote this petition.

Meanwhile, why not 'spam' the other forums on Birdforums with this. I'll make a start with a post on the Ringing and Banding thread where I habitually hang out.

[June Atkinson]

Yes, I have requested help on the 38 Degrees website, John.
Every little helps.

Originally Posted by John Morgan

Just saw this petition (and signed it) in RSPB's eLetter. There seems to be a steady trickle of signings as it is now moving towards 8,000 - but a long way to go to get the HoC debate trigger of 100,000.

Those of you who are "38degrees" members, or "Avaaz" members could ask those organisations to promote this petition.

Meanwhile, why not 'spam' the other forums on Birdforums with this. I'll make a start with a post on the Ringing and Banding thread where I habitually hang out.

[June Atkinson]

Now on Facebook - this may help!

Originally Posted by June Atkinson

Yes, I have requested help on the 38 Degrees website, John.
Every little helps.

[Adam W]

I've just read something about where this has already been brought in in Scotland and apparently it will still be a valid defence for the land owner to be shown to have not known about the offences commited and taken reasonable steps to prevent it.
So doesnt that basically just mean all they have to do is say ''I didnt know he was doing it i told him not to'' and they'd get away with it?

Isnt that just the situation that we have now making this whole thing rather pointless?

[Robin Edwards]

Originally Posted by Adam W

I've just read something about where this has already been brought in in Scotland and apparently it will still be a valid defence for the land owner to be shown to have not known about the offences commited and taken reasonable steps to prevent it.
So doesnt that basically just mean all they have to do is say ''I didnt know he was doing it i told him not to'' and they'd get away with it?

Isnt that just the situation that we have now making this whole thing rather pointless?

My advice is doing something is often better than doing nothing - it takes very little effort to sign the petition and I don't see what there is to lose (assuming you support the cause of course ) - let's then see what the conservation bodies and Scottish lawyers make of it. It seems to be the case these days that Scotland and Wales have a more progressive approach than England when it comes to changing law.

[Adam W]

I totally agree Robin but unfortunately I just cant see how this is actually going to change anything at all, not that it would anyway because we'd still have the biggest problem which is actually catching and proving that anyone has done anything before we worry about how takes the most blame. Like you say though nothing to lose.

[Robin Edwards]

Good to see the H&O Trust and Chris Packham standing up for BoP.

http://www.hawkandowl.org/About_us/n...hamCrusade2010

"But there is no excuse for shooting birds of prey, poisoning them or crushing their eggs – these are all 19th century reactions. There are other solutions today. Whether the problem is real or merely perceived, the last thing anyone should do is reach for a gun. Killing birds of prey is completely unacceptable under any circumstances. Where populations of other species are declining we need to identify the cause and not blindly blame birds of prey when farmland and songbird numbers, for example, are down primarily because of habitat loss."

I'm sure there are still lots of BF members who still haven't signed the petition yet :- http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/23089

[dud1z]

Signed.

[Green Sandpiper]

signed, forwarded on, friends' arms twisted and told to sign up too.

[keith]

What is the RSPBs stance on this.

[Mike Price]

Originally Posted by keith

What is the RSPBs stance on this.

http://www.rspb.org.uk/community/our...e-parapet.aspx

[Clive A]

Originally Posted by Mike Price

http://www.rspb.org.uk/community/our...e-parapet.aspx

So the RSPB are behind it,but still only 8000 votes! Will the RSPB be pushing this at all the big reserves this year?

[Mike Price]

Hi Clive,

You might find thisinteresting http://markavery.info/2012/03/12/rspb-week/

[Clive A]

Originally Posted by Mike Price

Hi Clive,

You might find thisinteresting http://markavery.info/2012/03/12/rspb-week/

Thanks Mike, some interesting stuff there.

[Clive A]

Originally Posted by Clive A

Thanks Mike, some interesting stuff there.

But 2 weeks on, and still only a hundred or so extra votes

[angusmcoatup]

Another bump. How many Birdforum members are there?

[bennyy]

Signed,

[ColD]

Only just found this !
Done, glad I also have a UK email address, the site did not want to know with my hotmail.com !

8,862 sigs to date come on !!!

This has been going since November is this the best we can manage closing date 17-11-2012
ColD