Flycatcher ID, Madera Canyon, Arizona (1 Viewer)

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ornithographyplus

Ornithographer

• May 21, 2016

• #1

For ID, Madera Canyon, Arizona

Two different birds

 

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rkj

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• May 21, 2016

• #2

It is frustrating not to be able to give certain answers with such nice photos, but here are my thoughts. The first is a Dusky/Hammond's/Gray type Empid. My guess would be Dusky Flycatcher based mostly on the bill, but I wish we had a view that showed the primary projection. The second is a vireo, my guess would be Cassin's Vireo.

 

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ornithographyplus

Ornithographer

• May 21, 2016

• #3

Flycatcher back view

Here is the Empid's back view. Hope this helps for a better ID

 

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ornithographyplus

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• May 21, 2016

• #4

Not too sure about the Cassin's Vireo. I think there isn't enough white on the lores. Could be Warbling Vireo, maybe?

 

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KGS

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• May 21, 2016

• #5

I think #2 is a Bell's Vireo. Inconspicuous spectacles, yellowish flank

 

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rkj

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• May 21, 2016

• #6

On the flycatcher, the primary projection looks not very long, so I still think Dusky Flycatcher is most likely. On the vireo, the wingbars are too prominent for a Warbling or even a Bell's; I am not sure why the lores are not appearing brighter, but I still think Cassin's fits best.

 

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Imp21

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• May 21, 2016

• #7

First one looks like an ash-throated flycatcher. All the Cassin's I've seen in CA and AZ have a very conspicuous white spectacle. It could be the shot, but if this one lacked it, I'd say this is a Bell's.

 

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening

Supporter

• May 21, 2016

• #8

The vireo looks a pretty clear Bell's to me. Looks fine for one and the face pattern is way off for Cassin's. Note also the rather short primary projection - should be somewhat longer on Cassin's.

 

Jeff Hopkins

Just another...observer

• May 21, 2016

• #9

I'm with Imp21 on ash-throated for the flycatcher.

Definitely not a Cassin's vireo. Bell's fits best.

 

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GreenJay94

Member

• May 21, 2016

• #10

I agree with Bell's Vireo. The flycatcher is definitely an empid -- Ash-throated would have a heavier bill, no eye ring, and a much longer rusty-brown tail. Empids are always tricky, but I'm leaning toward Cordilleran. The yellow-orange on the bill and the shape of the eye ring (sharp point behind the eye) seem better for that species than Dusky/Hammond's, IMO.

 

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rkj

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• May 23, 2016

• #11

GreenJay94 said:

Empids are always tricky, but I'm leaning toward Cordilleran. The yellow-orange on the bill and the shape of the eye ring (sharp point behind the eye) seem better for that species than Dusky/Hammond's, IMO.

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Maybe, but if this is a Cordilleran it is on the very very dullest end of the color range for that species.

 

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ornithographyplus

Ornithographer

• May 24, 2016

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rkj said:

Maybe, but if this is a Cordilleran it is on the very very dullest end of the color range for that species.

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So what do you think it is, RKJ?

 

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rkj

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• May 24, 2016

• #13

ornithographyplus said:

So what do you think it is, RKJ?

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My best guess is still Dusky Flycatcher.