Erythrina Brehm, 1828 is said to be preoccupied in botany. The only reference to its use in connection with fish that I can find is as the specific name for "fish fuddle" (Piscidia erythrina - Jamaica Dogwood).
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Erythrina Brehm, 1828 is said to be preoccupied in botany. The only reference to its use in connection with fish that I can find is as the specific name for "fish fuddle" (Piscidia erythrina - Jamaica Dogwood).
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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I searched and in fact it's Erythrinus the genus of fish (Erythrinidae).
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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Just as Morus, Echinops...
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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Obviously.
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In botany, Erythrina L. is a genus in the pea family, described in 1753. But that doesn't affect zoology, of course.
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Will Jones
Martim Melo, Martin Stervander, Bengt Hansson, Peter J. Jones (2017) The endangered São Tomé Grosbeak Neospiza concolor is the world's largest canary. IBIS 10.1111/ibi.12466
Early view article http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ibi.12466/abstract?campaign=wolearlyview
Early view article http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ibi.12466/abstract?campaign=wolearlyview
Melanie
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The enigmatic São Tomé grosbeak is a giant seedeater
www.stervander.com/sao-tome-grosbeak-is-a-giant-seedeater/
and a new photo
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31...=78deea6ae4b48f47a01d975e7a2411d9&oe=596034FC
New comb: Crithagra concolor
www.stervander.com/sao-tome-grosbeak-is-a-giant-seedeater/
and a new photo
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31...=78deea6ae4b48f47a01d975e7a2411d9&oe=596034FC
New comb: Crithagra concolor
jurek
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Islands of Sao Tome and Principe are leftovers of volcanic islands eroding to the Atlantic. They have fascinating ecosystem of island fauna like weaver filling the niche of a woodpecker, tree-living shrew and day-flying bats. I hope somebody looks at a subfossil fauna - there might be fascinating flightless birds avaiting discovery!
Fred Ruhe
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(Sub)fossil avifaunas from Islands are amazing and often many extinct species. Look at the Hawaii Islands, New Caledonoa, New Zealand, Balearics, Corsica, Canary Islands, Micronesia, Polynesia, Islands in the Atlantic, Indian Ocean etc. etc. All vert, very exciting!
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Fred Ruhe
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A very good idea.
(Sub)fossil Island avifaunas are often very exciting, rich and with mahy extinct species. Think of the extinct avifaunas of the Hawaii Islands, St. Helena, other islands in the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Oceans, the Balearics, Sicily and Corsica, Mauritius, Réunion, Madagascar, New Sealand etc. etc. It might turn out to be very fruitful digs in Sao Tome and Principe!
Fred
Melanie
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The Principe Olive Ibis is likely extinct.
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Martin Stervander
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São Tomé Giant Seedeater?
Glad to see that our Ibis paper about the São Tomé Grosbeak has been picked up here – as well as my blog post https://t.co/OCBiYsL55T (including the nice photo by August Thomasson and a water color by Peter Nilsson).
I'd like to put forward here, something that never made it into the paper, since not all authors were equally enthusiastic. I know that vernacular names cannot change as soon as something is phylogenetically incorrect – there's a point in being rather conservative with common names.
However, I think there's a point in letting the change from Neospiza concolor to Crithagra concolor be accompanied by a changed common name. It may be obvious that the former Neospiza is not closely related to other grosbeaks (Coccothraustes/Mycerobas/Hesperiphona/Eophona), but given its current, it isn't clear that is a seedeater (Crithagra).
I would propose a new vernacular name that clearly indicates the three main features, i.e. that it is a seedeater, that it is the largest seedeater in the world owing to island gigantism, and that it is a single-island endemic on São Tomé. That would leave us with São Tomé Giant Seedeater. I realize that this is on the long side, but I don’t think that only “São Tomé” or “Giant” would be suitable.
What do you guys think?
Cheers,
Martin
Glad to see that our Ibis paper about the São Tomé Grosbeak has been picked up here – as well as my blog post https://t.co/OCBiYsL55T (including the nice photo by August Thomasson and a water color by Peter Nilsson).
I'd like to put forward here, something that never made it into the paper, since not all authors were equally enthusiastic. I know that vernacular names cannot change as soon as something is phylogenetically incorrect – there's a point in being rather conservative with common names.
However, I think there's a point in letting the change from Neospiza concolor to Crithagra concolor be accompanied by a changed common name. It may be obvious that the former Neospiza is not closely related to other grosbeaks (Coccothraustes/Mycerobas/Hesperiphona/Eophona), but given its current, it isn't clear that is a seedeater (Crithagra).
I would propose a new vernacular name that clearly indicates the three main features, i.e. that it is a seedeater, that it is the largest seedeater in the world owing to island gigantism, and that it is a single-island endemic on São Tomé. That would leave us with São Tomé Giant Seedeater. I realize that this is on the long side, but I don’t think that only “São Tomé” or “Giant” would be suitable.
What do you guys think?
Cheers,
Martin
