kristoffer
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A friend of mine who is hanging around various other hobby forums reports that they have similar threads like this, however I dare to say that they have not reached the teabag discussion, yet
I still maintain that pyramid shaped tea bags have better edge sharpness than round ones.
Ron
I still maintain that pyramid shaped tea bags have better edge sharpness than round ones.
Ron
What about Chinese tea? Can it be as good as the top European teas?
Do teenagers really do that? That´s heartening to know, ´cos I´ll have one in the house in about two years.....even for unskilled teenagers preparing tea for their beloved parents.
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Meanwhile, I´ve discovered that the way to make a perfect cup of Oolong is to loosely pack about a teaspoonful through the focussing-bridge hole of a pair of 8.5x42 EL´s, then add boiling water. Allow to infuse, while using the binos if you wish (best wear a pair of oven-gloves), then simply tip the bins upside-down and allow the refreshing Oriental beverage to dribble out into your waiting mouth.
I hope the "EL-neu" incorporate an even bigger tea-hole.
Chinese optics are very good value for the money. But one big drawback is the lacking quality control. It's quite like playing on a lottery; you can get a good example, but the risk to get a faulty is big. I will not by chinese optics without the possibility to send it back, OR try it before purchase and make my own careful quality control.
Regards, Patric
My Nikon ED50 too (did I mention this earlier? Sorry if so). Made in China, absolute top-notch quality.Apple's iPhones/iPods/Macs are all made in China and I would say the QC is pretty high on those "made in china" products.
Since we implicit talk about Zen Ray and we established that their RD is in the USA just like tons of other brands the talk about how Chinese RD operates is somewhat obsolete. Zens RD probably works just like every other Western RD department.
They mearly go to their ______ optics firm that they are doing business with and hand them some established specs that they would like to duplicate....
My Nikon ED50 too (did I mention this earlier? Sorry if so). Made in China, absolute top-notch quality.
Swedpat said:Chinese optics are very good value for the money. But one big drawback is the lacking quality control. It's quite like playing on a lottery; you can get a good example, but the risk to get a faulty is big. I will not by chinese optics without the possibility to send it back, OR try it before purchase and make my own careful quality control.
Regards, Patric
My Nikon ED50 too (did I mention this earlier? Sorry if so). Made in China, absolute top-notch quality.
It turns out it was churned out by chinese companies too.
Yup your exactly right and back up my point completely..... ZR does not have a R&D budget!You can fill in the blank with whatever you want but isn't this how most companies do business? A competitor comes out with something new, and everyone tries to duplicate/replicate it.
Correct again! and as I said this is the challenge for ZR in the next three to five years..... They are such a new company who knows if they will be around in 5, 10, 15, 30 years to properly warranty their bins??? And there has already been enough evidence on forums here with small things going wrong that they are not of the quality of a European made bin.... Not even a mid priced one like a Docter Optic or a Meopta!ultimately, it is those companies behind the labels responsible for the Q/C and product reputation of their products. If my ipod broke, I will take it to Apple store, not to foxconn to have it fixed. We should expect the same for the optics too.
Exactly! Engineered by a Japanese company who does have a R&D team and $'s, then made with the low cost labor pool! And no one said that "Made in China" = Poor quality..... They (I) said "Made in China" = Cheap! as in "No Resale" or "lasting" value!!!!! What do you think a used set of ZR ed's will sell for on ebay in ten years??? One just sold for $315 several days ago. So its safe to assume that in ten they will be a throw-a-way bin with no value! Where as a ten year old Swarovski SLC that sold for $1000 still brings $1000!You mean designed and made by a Japanese company with their own factories in China. So assuming "Made in China" == Poor Quality is just not true any more.
So its safe to assume that in ten they will be a throw-a-way bin with no value! Where as a ten year old Swarovski SLC that sold for $1000 still brings $1000!
True you could do that.... But seeing as how a new SLC can be had for $1400 you could just sell your ten year old SLC's and buy up for $400 and a savings because the next ten years will be had at the $400:t: This is how I choose to but optics and always have the best and something of value.... You know there is something to be said for owning something of value!Depends on if you're a collector or a user. A 10 year old Zen/Swaro/Zeiss from 2009 will still perform like a 10 year old Zen/Swaro/Zeiss from 2009. So what if its resale value goes down? Its not like the Zen's will decompose into dust.
Look at this the other way. I can buy ~3-4 Zens for the price of an alpha. That means that if the lifespan of your alpha is ~10 years, I can replace my Zens every 2.5 years while getting new tech each time and an extra set to boot. At the end of 10 years, I'll have 4 "Zens" or whatever brand is filling Zen's spot with the last one of those having the absolute bleeding edge tech or I could still have the one 10 year old alpha.
True you could do that.... But seeing as how a new SLC can be had for $1400 you could just sell your ten year old SLC's and buy up for $400 and a savings because the next ten years will be had at the $400:t: This is how I choose to but optics and always have the best and something of value.... You know there is something to be said for owning something of value!