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2017 UK orchids (1 Viewer)
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muba
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Hi Jeff. Taken two days ago. It was with a small group of EPO.
rmielcarek
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Hi Steve
I found a couple of similar plants, I think it was last year, at a site where both EPO and SMO occur - but the conclusion I reached was they were just rather robust EPOs. I'll see if I can find the photos sometime.
Have you got any close ups of the flowers on yours?
First SMOs just starting to flower locally here.
Rich
muba
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If, repeat if, a hybrid then not SMO but EPO which has overlapping flowering times, same pollinators, and both grow on the site. Those leaves are so unlike EPO. More marsh orchid colour, semi erect and not a spot in sight.
Do you know how many chromosomes EPOs have?
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rmielcarek
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What hybrid combination are you suggesting Steve, EPO x what?
Personally I can't see why this can't be an EPO, rather an odd one but still an EPO.
The leaves are probably rather odd looking because the plant is growing in the open but not that dissimilar to the attached, again growing in an open meadow.
What is odd about the leaves is the sheer number, almost like there are two plants there but only one flower stem.
Rich
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muba
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Personally I think hybrid has to be considered, but is unlikely. It would be intergeneric, and marsh orchid (EMO) x EPO does not seem to have been recorded. Unlikely that chromosome numbers are the same or compatible. And why would the flowers resemble one parent and the leaves the other.
I put the photo here to garner opinions. It would be nice if it were a hybrid but the more I think about it the more I go off the idea.
But I still cannot convince myself those leaves fit EPO, even if one assumes vegetative reproduction with a single flower spike.
Perhaps it's on steroids
I put the photo here to garner opinions. It would be nice if it were a hybrid but the more I think about it the more I go off the idea.
But I still cannot convince myself those leaves fit EPO, even if one assumes vegetative reproduction with a single flower spike.
Perhaps it's on steroids
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childhood memories
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Odd EPO
Having seen Rich’s photo I’m inclined to agree this is an odd EPO, though I’ve not seen one like it before. The leaves are atypical of EPO but very similar to Rich’s plant and the amount of spotting does vary enormously from plant to plant.
Not much doubt about this one I think, EPO just coming into flower at Eryrys, late because of elevation and chilly climate I suspect.. Could only find three spikes this year where there were around twenty last year, but still time for others to appear.
At Eryrys, the rosettes of the Frog Orchid v longibracteatum are just breaking the surface.
Jeff
Having seen Rich’s photo I’m inclined to agree this is an odd EPO, though I’ve not seen one like it before. The leaves are atypical of EPO but very similar to Rich’s plant and the amount of spotting does vary enormously from plant to plant.
Not much doubt about this one I think, EPO just coming into flower at Eryrys, late because of elevation and chilly climate I suspect.. Could only find three spikes this year where there were around twenty last year, but still time for others to appear.
At Eryrys, the rosettes of the Frog Orchid v longibracteatum are just breaking the surface.
Jeff
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muba
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Thanks for the Eryrys update Jeff
There should be hundreds of EPOs (with more typical foliage ) on the roadside down the lane and atop the hill the other side of the road. Perhaps this weekend is too soon to see them at their best.
We traipsed across Halkyn Mountain for 90 mins today. Looks a very likely site for anything but found just one EPO not quite out.
There should be hundreds of EPOs (with more typical foliage
) on the roadside down the lane and atop the hill the other side of the road. Perhaps this weekend is too soon to see them at their best.We traipsed across Halkyn Mountain for 90 mins today. Looks a very likely site for anything but found just one EPO not quite out.
Gait Barrows
Morning all
I'll be driving up to Cumbria this week and wondered if anyone has looked at Gait Barrows this year? Probably too early for the star attraction but they were all over by mid June last year and with some plants being early this year I just wondered?
Ta
P
Morning all
I'll be driving up to Cumbria this week and wondered if anyone has looked at Gait Barrows this year? Probably too early for the star attraction but they were all over by mid June last year and with some plants being early this year I just wondered?
Ta
P
Phil Bishop
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This has just arrived. looks rather nice.
http://www.harpercollins.co.uk/9780008210694/orchids
http://www.harpercollins.co.uk/9780008210694/orchids
Mils just starting to come into flower in Bucks, probably about two weeks away from their prime yet though.
GWOs just starting to go over slightly in Oxon, but still spectacular! I found this one with another unusual lip variant - vaguely reminds me of Orchis papilionacea:
GWOs just starting to go over slightly in Oxon, but still spectacular! I found this one with another unusual lip variant - vaguely reminds me of Orchis papilionacea:
To answer my own question, the star attractions are just coming out, one flower open on one plant, one other slugged. Probably 10 days away from best.
Lancaster whitebeam and herb Paris showing well!
P
East Sussex update
A lovely sunny afternoon at Castle Hill NNR yesterday. Early Spiders out in profusion, the best I have seen in my five years visiting and the first year I'd confidently say over a thousand flowering plants. Coming to the end of flowering so plenty of taller six to eight inch plants, lots close to each other, and plenty of two inch wonders. I wouldn't leave much after this weekend to visit as they are starting to go over.
Elsewhere, white helleborine spikes abundant at Falmer, flowering a good week or two off but a good year for them too.
A lovely sunny afternoon at Castle Hill NNR yesterday. Early Spiders out in profusion, the best I have seen in my five years visiting and the first year I'd confidently say over a thousand flowering plants. Coming to the end of flowering so plenty of taller six to eight inch plants, lots close to each other, and plenty of two inch wonders. I wouldn't leave much after this weekend to visit as they are starting to go over.
Elsewhere, white helleborine spikes abundant at Falmer, flowering a good week or two off but a good year for them too.
Not as yet, no. In most years I'd expect them out in early June.
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