tittletattler
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Long gone are the good old days of wandering around rubbish tips and viewing gulls at point blank range.
More often than not, I can't read the number on the ring until I download my digiscoped images.
Cheers,
Andy.
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Long gone are the good old days of wandering around rubbish tips and viewing gulls at point blank range.
More often than not, I can't read the number on the ring until I download my digiscoped images.
Cheers,
Andy.
pdwinter
Paul Winter
Possible Caspian Gull
Yesterday (30th May) I took some rather distant images of this bird, which I thought might be a first-summer Caspian Gull. It does have a long, parallel bill; a fairly small head; longish wings; grey scapulars without heavy anchors; a clean-cut tail band. It didn't appear particularly long-legged though. The wing coverts are very worn so no clues there. The tertials look to be plain brown with narrow pale edges but,again, they are very worn.
Perhaps just a Herring Gull?
Yesterday (30th May) I took some rather distant images of this bird, which I thought might be a first-summer Caspian Gull. It does have a long, parallel bill; a fairly small head; longish wings; grey scapulars without heavy anchors; a clean-cut tail band. It didn't appear particularly long-legged though. The wing coverts are very worn so no clues there. The tertials look to be plain brown with narrow pale edges but,again, they are very worn.
Perhaps just a Herring Gull?
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lou salomon
the birdonist
yes, paul, a more or less clear cut caspian.
most prominent and decisive traits visible are scap pattern (totally off for HG) and venetian blind effect of inner primaries. all other features supportive - cachinnans.
cheers,
most prominent and decisive traits visible are scap pattern (totally off for HG) and venetian blind effect of inner primaries. all other features supportive - cachinnans.
cheers,
AStevenson
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Chaps, I'm assuming this is a michahellis - from early May in the Outer Hebs (would be 2nd or 3rd rec for the area)
Still a description bird in Scotland and there's been a recent review which has removed a number of earlier accepted records since they don't meet current id criteria so they've just made it rarer!
Any thoughts welcome
cheers, Andrew
Still a description bird in Scotland and there's been a recent review which has removed a number of earlier accepted records since they don't meet current id criteria so they've just made it rarer!
Any thoughts welcome
cheers, Andrew
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lou salomon
the birdonist
a retarded 3cy mich allright. retarded because at least inner median coverts in 3cy YLG typically are adult grey in spring, this ind. shows mosty immature brown coverts. typical for YLG at this age is the almost adult like bill and bright yellow legs (which will get dull yellow or even pinkish grey in early autumn again).
Hi folks, there has been a movement of mainly 2cy Gulls at my local Gulling site in the UK.At least ten Yellow-legged Gulls and two Caspians so far.The Casps were 2cys and looked very different to each other, one very worn and abraded the other less so, which is what I would expect with 2cy birds.The attached pic is of another bird which looked very Casp-like with its long straight bill, small head and eye, long legs and long neck, hanging rear belly etc.However it had a completely grey mantle, with no scattered brown anchor marks which the other birds had.Has anyone else had 2cy Casps with a completely grey mantle as this? Could this be a hybrid type? Apologies for the poor pic, it was at very long range etc.
cheers, Pete.
cheers, Pete.
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lou salomon
the birdonist
pete, are you sure it is a 2cy? it might be, why not; and, no i haven't seen 2cy cachinnans with pure grey scaps at this time of year but a similar aged YLG with such (obviously 3rd gen. scaps).
some 2nd gen scaps in casp are mostly grey with just some faint dark shaft streaks - any streaks visible? scaps look quite pale grey but the pic seems overlit.
some 2nd gen scaps in casp are mostly grey with just some faint dark shaft streaks - any streaks visible? scaps look quite pale grey but the pic seems overlit.
Hi Lou, I couldn`t discern any shaft streaks from the distance I was watching from.As for it`s age I was going on the bill colour,some remnant 1st generation coverts and the very worn looking primaries.Also quite a typical 2cy tail band was present.But could it be a retarded 3cy? Thanks for your comments,
Pete.
Pete.
lou salomon
the birdonist
i'd go on pointed primary tips (=juv primaries) - and they seem to be pointed as far as i can discern it. the wide tertial crescent however reminded me of strongly abraded 2 gen. tertials. bill could be as retarded as this one in a 3cy with weak hormonal function.
lou salomon
the birdonist
2 examples of 2cy YLG in summer (first 24.06.2009, second 26.07.2008 from romania with adult like grey scaps, both pics from cristian). see attached images.
and look at this 1cy from 26 november!http://www.talk.gull-research.org/download/file.php?id=471
2 threads on such 1st cycle birds with plainish grey scaps:
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=131
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=163&hilit=ongoing+process
cheers
and look at this 1cy from 26 november!http://www.talk.gull-research.org/download/file.php?id=471
2 threads on such 1st cycle birds with plainish grey scaps:
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=131
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=163&hilit=ongoing+process
cheers
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Hello!
Just want to double check this one from the Azov sea coast of Ukraine (photographed in mid May)
Is this just a retarded very worn 2CY Black-headed Gull?
Or I am seeing something rarer here: smallish black bill, dark markings on upper primary coverts...
Thanks
Just want to double check this one from the Azov sea coast of Ukraine (photographed in mid May)
Is this just a retarded very worn 2CY Black-headed Gull?
Or I am seeing something rarer here: smallish black bill, dark markings on upper primary coverts...
Thanks
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lou salomon
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hi aleksej,
quite interesting. i've no time right now but i'll answer you tonight!
quite interesting. i've no time right now but i'll answer you tonight!
Hello Aleksey, firstly apologies to Lou for stepping in here( I`m sure you won`t mind, I`ve got some spare time now!). the bird in question is a 2CY Little Gull.The small size and dark bill, rather pale underwing and remnant markings of the "W" on the upperwings point to this, as do the leg colour and typical moult in the tail.
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