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Heathy

Well-known member

• Feb 14, 2004

• #1

Hi all

I spent a fab day down Dungeness in Kent today and came across this Stonchat, while I am pretty sure that it is a common Stonechat the collar on this individual seems more like siberian. The other features seem to fit common but have a look, any comments welcome.

Marc Heath

 

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Edward woodwood

Member

• Feb 14, 2004

• #2

Hi Marc

has a nice collar but if all other features fit Common then I guess that's what it is

Get a good view of the rump?

 

cuckooroller

Registered User

• Feb 14, 2004

• #3

common (i.e.rubicola)

 

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helenh

Well-known member

• Feb 14, 2004

• #4

Looks to have too much orange below to be Siberian.

 

Jane Turner

Well-known member

• Feb 15, 2004

• #5

I'd bet it was a continental rubecula as opposed to hibernans.....

A scarce passage (DRIFT) migrant in early spring to the UK. Once came across a fall of 35!

 

Charles Harper

Régisseur

• Feb 15, 2004

• #6

How do you tell rubicola from hibernans? Svensson et. al. has both names on the picture but no description of the latter.

Thanks in advance.

 

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening

Supporter

• Feb 15, 2004

• #7

The only Siberian Stonechat I've ever seen was a male and it was a real 'snowball' job - much paler than this fellow. It does look a bit 'different' though.

 

Jane Turner

Well-known member

• Feb 15, 2004

• #8

Charles Harper said:

How do you tell rubicola from hibernans? Svensson et. al. has both names on the picture but no description of the latter.

Thanks in advance.

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You can only do the extremes Charles.. some rubicola males tend to have bigger collars and paler - even white rumps. ..... you need to see the auxilliaries on those to prove they are not Sibechats... this is personal experience.. I'll look at the literature when I'm not covered in paint!... decorating just now.

 

Charles Harper

Régisseur

• Feb 15, 2004

• #9

Thanks, Jane... and don't drip any on the furniture, eh?

 

Grousemore

Senior Member

• Feb 15, 2004

• #10

Charles Harper said:

How do you tell rubicola from hibernans? Svensson et. al. has both names on the picture but no description of the latter.

Thanks in advance.

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One of my books states that hibernans are typically darker than rubicola.