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Richard Klim

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Wenzel, Webster, Blanco, Burgess, Kerbiriou, Segelbacher, Piertney & Reid (in press). Pronounced genetic structure and low genetic diversity in European red-billed chough (Pyrrhocorax pyrrhocorax) populations. Conserv Genet. [abstract]

British Isles Chough Pyrrhocorax (pyrrhocorax) pyrrhocorax? ;)

Madge 2009 (HBW 14).
 
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Having been involved with this research for a number of years, it is good to see it published. Just off to check on some more red-billed choughs!

Allen
 
Did they ever work out the origins of the Cornish birds? If they came from France it could have some interesting consequences for variation in the population mixes with Welsh or Irish birds.
 
Wenzel, Webster, Blanco, Burgess, Kerbiriou, Segelbacher, Piertney & Reid (in press). Pronounced genetic structure and low genetic diversity in European red-billed chough (Pyrrhocorax pyrrhocorax) populations. Conserv Genet. [abstract] British Isles Chough Pyrrhocorax (pyrrhocorax) pyrrhocorax? ;) Madge 2009 (HBW 14).

Richard,
Having just read your latest on the hyphen thread, perhaps VR from on high would prefer 'British-Isles Red-billed-Chough'?:-O;)
MJB
 
Cornwall

Did they ever work out the origins of the Cornish birds? If they came from France it could have some interesting consequences for variation in the population mixes with Welsh or Irish birds.
Carter, Brown, Lock, Wotton & Croft 2003. The restoration of the Red-billed Chough in Cornwall. British Birds 96(1): 23–29.
...the events of 2001 in southwest England were totally unexpected. A small influx of Red-billed Choughs took place between late January and May, involving sightings of birds along the south coast from the Isles of Scilly to Portland in Dorset. Establishing the true picture was hampered by access restrictions imposed as a result of the outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease, but at least four different individuals were seen, including three together on the Lizard peninsula in Cornwall. It is possible that as many as seven Red-billed Choughs were involved in total (Brown et al. 2002).

The origin of the birds involved in the influx has been the subject of considerable debate and will never be known with certainty. The nearest established population is in southwest Wales (see fig. 2), with about 45 pairs breeding along the coast of Pembrokeshire (Welsh Birds 2000). If the birds had arrived from this direction, however, they would presumably have first reached northern parts of Devon or Cornwall and, given that much suitable habitat is available on the north coast, it seems unlikely that all would then have continued overland to the south coast. Ireland supports a population of over 800 pairs (O’Sullivan 1992) but even those breeding on the south coast are more than 230 km from the closest point in southwest England; moreover, birds arriving from this direction might also be expected to reach the north coast first. Another possible source is the small, isolated breeding population on the coast of northwest Brittany, where recent estimates suggest that about 30-40 pairs are present (Kerbiriou 2001). Although the coast of southwest England is approximately 200 km away from Brittany, the distribution of records in spring 2001 along the south coast is consistent with an arrival from the south or southeast. Many birds in the French population are colour-ringed; the fact that all three of the birds on the Lizard were not ringed makes this origin perhaps less likely, although by no means impossible.
 
If they are genetically distinct then surely a blood test via the Cornish birds would be simplicity itself?

Obviously worth it to add a second Chough to the British Isles list and of course we would then have a British Isles endemic.

I'd be chuffed to bits to get such a tick.

John
 
Cornwall update

If they are genetically distinct then surely a blood test via the Cornish birds would be simplicity itself?
Having now seen the paper (Wenzel et al)...
...the recolonisation of Cornwall in 2001 is assumed to reflect natural long-distance dispersal from another wild population (Johnstone et al. 2011). The colonisers were speculated to have originated in Brittany or South Wales (Carter et al. 2003). However, our genetic data show that the colonisers do not match these populations, or the local captive population in Paradise Park, but suggest they probably originated in Ireland. Although inference is constrained by the small sample size (nine individuals), the only case of non-significant genetic differentiation was Ireland versus Cornwall. These populations also shared a mitochondrial haplotype and an a posteriori genetic cluster. Assuming that this recolonisation was unassisted, the genetic data therefore show that successful long-distance dispersal can occur.
 
Irish Choughs in Cornwall. So tests reveal Britsh Red-billed Chough remains the only resident species. Good, lets split it and have an endemic.

John
 
Another DNA result that confounds received wisdom - extraordinary! I kept tabs at the time on all the 2001 Chough records in the southwest and Carter et al summed it up well - the distribution of the records pointed very strongly to an arrival from the south, and hence to Brittany as the source. But clearly that was wrong!

Of course it's also wrong for Birdwatch to say that the Celtic origin of the Cornish Choughs was unexpected - as any fule kno, Brittany is as much a part of the Celtic nation as Ireland. Just less theme pubs.
 
Another DNA result that confounds received wisdom - extraordinary! I kept tabs at the time on all the 2001 Chough records in the southwest and Carter et al summed it up well - the distribution of the records pointed very strongly to an arrival from the south, and hence to Brittany as the source. But clearly that was wrong!

Of course it's also wrong for Birdwatch to say that the Celtic origin of the Cornish Choughs was unexpected - as any fule kno, Brittany is as much a part of the Celtic nation as Ireland. Just less theme pubs.

Thanks for mentioning the "unexpected" Celtic origin, Julian. It is not just me with my Celtic sensibilities!

I was emailed a draft of the press release and pointed out the inaccuracy of that statement to them, with the comment that if the choughs that turned up in Cornwall were not from a Celtic country they would have been from much further away, such as Spain or the south of France. Different subspecies, too!
 
Wenzel, Webster, Blanco, Burgess, Kerbiriou, Segelbacher, Piertney & Reid (in press). Pronounced genetic structure and low genetic diversity in European red-billed chough (Pyrrhocorax pyrrhocorax) populations. Conserv Genet. [abstract]
Wenzel, Webster, Blanco, Burgess, Kerbiriou, Segelbacher, Piertney & Reid (in press). Erratum to: Pronounced genetic structure and low genetic diversity in European red-billed chough (Pyrrhocorax pyrrhocorax) populations. Conserv Genet. [pdf]

Ref. Wenzel et al 2012. Conserv Genet 13(5): 1213–1230. [pdf]
 
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