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Old Monday 16th October 2017, 14:04   #26
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I see more glass sitting on rifles than attached to neck straps when it comes to hunters.

Nikon Sports Optics search lists 147 results in Riflescopes.

Their AR/MSR riflescopes alone lists 30 models.

https://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/...pes/index.page

https://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/...msr/index.page

Nikon is sensitive to the ethics of hunting.

They will not allow any retailer that sells their cameras to sell their riflescopes.

Though you may peddle other manufacturers riflescopes along side Nikon cameras.


Swarovski is not sensitive to hunting ethics in the manner that Nikon is.

It sponsors a popular hunting show on the Outdoor Channel of my local Cable TV.

Yesterday while I was cable hopping between a Baseball playoff game and a number of NFL football games I got to see quite a bit of a hunting show produced by Swarovski Optik about hunting for Red Stags in Argentina's Patagonia region. It was headquartered at a very pricey lodge. I learned that Red Stags were introduced into Patagonia about 100 years ago and have thrived there. I saw at least one being harvested and there may have been more but I had to get back to the playoff game.

Later during, during a commercial in the game, I returned to the outdoor channel where they were showing a very large wild boar making its way through the pampas but it was not an object of the hunt. However, right after that, one was featured at a dinner in the lodge along with various bottles of Red wine which I assumed were Argentine vintages.

All the participants in the field were wearing large sized Swarovski SLCs (they looked like SLCs) and were shown using them and their guides were carrying Swarovski Scopes. It is big country in that location and large SUVs which I could not identify were used to ferry the participants around.

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I've a 9mm rimmed rook rifle, #6, #7.5 & #8 shot, that I ease through a crack in the door for cowbirds trespassing under the bird feeder. No need of license und I most definately have the desire to rid the earth of every cowbird I encounter.

Does that qualify me as a hunter?
No need for a license? The Brown-headed Cowbird is a native species and is protected from take (like most non-game species) by federal law. Sometimes permits are issued for cowbird control (a generally ineffective, even in the short term, strategy). To answer your question, it seems you are by definition a poacher, not a (legal) hunter.

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No need for a license? The Brown-headed Cowbird is a native species and is protected from take (like most non-game species) by federal law. Sometimes permits are issued for cowbird control (a generally ineffective, even in the short term, strategy). To answer your question, it seems you are by definition a poacher, not a (legal) hunter.

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Thank you.

Also, it's against forum rules to mention hunting of birds. Some people still don't know what forum they're on. Moderators must've missed that post.
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I've a 9mm rimmed rook rifle, #6, #7.5 & #8 shot, that I ease through a crack in the door for cowbirds trespassing under the bird feeder. No need of license und I most definately have the desire to rid the earth of every cowbird I encounter.

Does that qualify me as a hunter?
SKB (serial bird killer),

Not knowing what a cowbird actually is, I googled it and according to the Cornell lab of Ornithology the population declined by 31% since 1966.
You've been active for quite some time

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I think you probably have as many competitive and recreational shooters, as you do actual big game hunters - maybe more. What they have for optics usually depends on just how serious they are and disposal income. You will spend serious money, if you have the "need" to see 22 center fire bullet holes in paper at 300 yards.

Big Game Hunting in the States is getting very expensive for those that travel out of State - so for some of those individuals, the very high-end optics rule the day - whereas, the "locals" sometimes just make do with inexpensive optics and equipment.

Some of them might call themselves "birders" as when they scan for their game animals without much success (When I hunted elk/moose/deer I think about 99.5% of my week was spent looking at everything but what I was hunting). You can spend a lot of time viewing bird/small animal activity and enjoy every minute - Nature is to be enjoyed.
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The cowbird has been subject to eratication programs on at least several different States in the states for years. Being parasitic it finds itself falling out of favour on regular basis.

As well grackles, starlings are about as welcome as pigeons.

Now, if only I had a Dublin barrel garten schrotflinte ...
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Thank you.

Also, it's against forum rules to mention hunting of birds.
Too many sensitive little snowflakes here.
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Not sensitive. Just abiding by the rules. So chill it guys.
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And shooting a Cowbird or Grackle is against the Federal Migratory Act and it becomes a Federal crime.
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And shooting a Cowbird or Grackle is against the Federal Migratory Act and it becomes a Federal crime.
Many things that are not criminal are crimes in today's world.
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Maljunolo, can you check your computer settings, you appear to have logged into the wrong site, this one's dedicated to wild birds and birding.
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If that's your feelings then perhaps you should move on from the sensitive snowflakes that seem to bother you.
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As you wish.

I must say that it has been enjoyable, and instructive.

Optics are one of my great loves, and I enjoy using them.

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Is it logical to blame Pete for this "dust-up"?
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Who threw the 1st insult?
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I shall post this then move on, because life's too short. This wasn't about Pete Gamby posting information relative to our hobby, and it wasn't about throwing insults. It's about people who enjoy killing birds to the point they'll spend hard earned cash achieving it, posting on a site designed for people who find bird life enriching to the point they feel it deserves preserving.
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As you wish.

I must say that it has been enjoyable, and instructive.

Optics are one of my great loves, and I enjoy using them.

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Stay on that topic and all is well.
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