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Large Raptor(s) ID, Lunigiana, Italy (1 Viewer)

Kinthissa

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I regret to say I am back to square one. Very confused so it is best to ask for help!

Three days in a row there were lots of Hooded crows gathered to the west, each time around 7pm. Yesterday I went to have a look. A large raptor came from south in the direction of the little wood by the house over which HBs have circled and called in 2014 and this year (18 and 28 July). As it approached the wood, another bird erupted from the trees there, making the first bird swerve and head west (pic 1). I followed it and never saw properly the second bird.

I was still outside an hour later. I heard slow calls (ones that sounded like the STE adult's cries to the juvenile that I've heard a few times recently, it is not the usual general calling). The caller was a large raptor flying over the house and terraces, heading south. I got one lousy dark shot (pic 2). I saw it wing across the field and land in a tree on the opposite slope (pic 3; 20.19). I expected it to fly again but it did not move, my last shot of it was at 20.45.

This morning I was down at the bottom of the terraces below the house at 0545. Still too dark to see if the bird was in the tree, but photo at first decent light 0613 shows the tree with no bird. At 0619 there suddenly was that pale-breasted large bird very erect at the top of the tree. A lot of cloud over the eastern hills, the bird was still, facing east (pics 4 & 5). At 0707 I began to fiddle with my camera, trying to get a half decent image so that I could identify the bird. At 0709 I looked up to see golden light and an empty tree.

Bird in pic 1 : the iris is brown but the face does not look CB to me. No underwing patterning nor outline of shape to help me feel sure of ID.
Bird in pic 2, 3, 4, 5 : all of the same bird. What was it?

Thank you!
Kinthissa
 

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Yes, same here. The buzzard's face looks pretty standard! You can just see some fine barring across the rather short tail, and the hint of paleness at the tail base; both are consistent with CBuzz. There's nothing to suggest any other species really. Wonder what it had eaten? Apart from the general colour pattern of the STE, your images of the perched bird show the typical head shape - looking a little large and squat (a teeny bit owl-like?), and one shows the stout legs well. I appreciate your remark about looking up to see perfect light and an empty tree! The other way is also common: just get a cup of tea in hand, or start packing up, and a raptor will fly past.
Brian
 
Thank you, it is a relief to put these two raptors in place (for the moment). I hope to recognize a CB face next time! I haven't seen their juveniles about as yet, unless this is one, or is it an adult?

So it was the STE adult after all, uttering those strange-sounding cries as it flew to its perch. The other day, two of them were circling, ock-ocking, then the adult wafted down like a parachute into a tree and from there cried out for a long time those slow calls to the juvenile flying about.

At the end of yesterday, 1 August, the STE was again on that old pine, preening for some 30 minutes. An adult STE. But are they usually so white also on the back and rump?
 

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Yes, STE tail and rump can show plenty of white/whitish - I think they bleach a bit. Your last photo seems to show a very pale head, which would indicate a juv.

The calls and interactive behaviour of these eagles is a lovely thing to watch - I think they are often underestimated, one of my favourites.
 
Wow, Tom! Glad you are back!

Simon, re: my original query : your first response on this thread was confusing,

1. Common Buzzard
2. Common Buzzard - I think
2,4 & 5. Short-toed Eagle

- and Phil had agreed to that. I was glad you later changed to STE for pic 2 (although there was no indication of editing, BF software failure?), as it was the same bird that I had watched fly to its perch, pics 3, 4, 5, although of course I now know I cannot assume the large raptor at dawn (pix 4,5) to be the raptor of the evening before!

... nor the large raptor on the same lone pine that same evening ...

And re: my second set of pix, I was just about to ask you, Simon - how can it be a juvenile with that large gap in the wing (I put in that frame to show why I was saying 'adult') - when I scrolled down further and found your post, Tom. Gosh, cannot assume anything, no bird ever stays in place! And the bird of 31Jul evening/1Aug dawn looks so bulky in comparison, how could I have not seen?

I am thrilled, as Honeys are the birds I am waiting for. I am seeing them either way in the distance, or when one is chased away from the waspcomb slope by the Hobby that's now master of the hill.

Happy August!

Kinthissa
 
i first also thought 2 is another buzzard (on shape) but when lightened in PS it showed the STE barring on flanks, so, 1 is buzzard, 2-5 STE and in the second set, HB (note small head!).
 
Simon, re: my original query : your first response on this thread was confusing,

1. Common Buzzard
2. Common Buzzard - I think
2,4 & 5. Short-toed Eagle......

......And re: my second set of pix, I was just about to ask you, Simon - how can it be a juvenile with that large gap in the wing (I put in that frame to show why I was saying 'adult')

Sorry about that - I edited very quickly afterwards, maybe 1 min - BF lets you do that. I'm sure Phil didn't see it in time to agree - anyway not to worry;)

Yes I had noticed the moult - well I thought the photo wasn't trustable and the little head was a photo effect....you are right to go with Tom of course :t:
 
Lou, thank you, I was beginning to question ID of every picture! That small flattish head in my 2nd set of pictures - I had got closer that evening and watched it preening, and thought it was the mate of the pale breasted bird in the first set, which I had not seen properly at all with the distance and the light conditions. My hope was that they were both HB. Then when I found out the first was STE, I ignored the HB feel of the the second bird that I'd had as I was watching it .....

I thank you also, Simon. I'm grateful for all the help I am getting on the forum.

Kinthissa
 
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