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Old Sunday 9th December 2007, 10:57   #1
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Corn Bunting Vs Reed Bunting

I shot this pic yesterday at Axios river. I can't say what it is.
What do you think?
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Old Sunday 9th December 2007, 11:21   #2
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I think that there are more than two types of bunting possible.
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Old Sunday 9th December 2007, 11:30   #3
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I think that there are more than two types of bunting possible.
Yes, Jane is right; with these features it may even be a first winter female White-headed Bunting.
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Yes, Jane is right; with these features it may even be a first winter female White-headed Bunting.
I do not find this White-headed Bunting in Collins!
Does that appear in Greece? I can not find also in the greek list!

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I think Gerd means Emberiza leucocephalus, (Pine Bunting) which can be hard to tell from the bird that this most likely is. Did you see it from behind? You should have seen some features that would help you identify
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Old Sunday 9th December 2007, 11:51   #6
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yes, I am sorry, freely translated from Dutch in English. But the right name is Pine.
I am not so sure about pure Yellowhammer Jane, since the crown stripe is all white. Rest of the parts have some very faint yellow hue.
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I think Gerd means Emberiza leucocephalus, (Pine Bunting) which can be hard to tell from the bird that this most likely is. Did you see it from behind? You should have seen some features that would help you identify
I am afraid this is the only pic I have. Frontside!
Here more pics.Maybe from the head we can see something more.
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yes, I am sorry, freely translated from Dutch in English. But the right name is Pine.
I am not so sure about pure Yellowhammer Jane, since the crown stripe is all white. Rest of the parts have some very faint yellow hue.
The scientific name translated from Greek into English is also White-headed bunting!

Without a clear view of the upperparts and or the underwing coverts its going to be hard to rule out Pine or (Pine influences), but I imagine that there is a much more common explanation.
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Old Sunday 9th December 2007, 14:04   #9
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In my opinion the bill isn't good for a Corn. No yellow at all, so I don't think is a Yellowhammer. Usually Reed is more redish. So, maybe Pine?
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Why not Cirl?
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Old Sunday 9th December 2007, 14:12   #11
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From that view it does look quite Pine-like doesn't it. Need more shots though to be sure.
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From that view it does look quite Pine-like doesn't it. Need more shots though to be sure.
Sorry,more pics are not there!
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These new pix even look better for Pine. The first pic shows some buff (Brown yellow) to the pre-ocular area (supercilium and lore); that's about it.

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Compare with this Pine and notice the straight culmen and compare with the disturbing curved culmen in Ody´s bird - suggesting eastern Reed

http://bp2.blogger.com/_OnUjkhRdVQI/...ne-bunting.JPG

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Compare with this Pine and notice the straight culmen and compare with the disturbing curved culmen in Ody´s bird - suggesting eastern Reed

http://bp2.blogger.com/_OnUjkhRdVQI/...ne-bunting.JPG

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Do you mean Common Reed Bunting with eastern Reed ,or some subspecies?
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Thanks Jan, agreed on the bill.Is it possible to find some of those Reed in the net?
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The new pics make the culmen look even more curved!
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Old Sunday 9th December 2007, 16:26   #18
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This is one....

http://orientalbirdimages.org/images...g_9809_kht.jpg

I found a load more a few years back - I'll see if I can again
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Why not Cirl?
The larger bill and crisp underpart streaking would certainly fit - though the bill does look heavy still.

One view of the upperparts would sort this!

Here is the bill of a Cirl
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To my eyes it is a Cirl Bunting. It has distinct streaking all over it's face and head, compare to Reed Buntings, which have mostly unstreaked heads and faces (supercilia, ear coverts etc.). A Yellowhammer would have much bolder streaking on the underside. A Pine Bunting would also have less distinct streaking on the head, and the general colour would be different.
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I found some reiseri subspecies, which is in Greece. I ll try to find some caspia.
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Here is some Cirl. They all seem to show at least some yellow .

http://www.oiseaux.net/photos/alex.e...g.4.html#alpha
http://www.oiseaux.net/photos/alex.e...g.3.html#alpha
http://www.oiseaux.net/photos/nicole...bunting.1.html
http://beauquenne.oiseaux.net/bruant.zizi.1.html#fiche
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/167500...bunting300.jpg

http://www.naturephoto-cz.com/photos...nting-1756.jpg

http://www.rspb.org.uk/Images/285501...tcm9-56462.jpg

http://www.homepages.mcb.net/wormwel...20Nessebar.jpg

http://www.ruchet.com/oiseaux/bruant-zizi/DSC_6056.jpg

Some of these are pretty much yellow-free
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I would also think Cirl.... didn´t we have a quizz some time ago with 6 or 7 species on one Photo from a puddle in Greece? If I remember correctly there was also a cirl on the picture showing no hint of yellow...but a view fronm the side. Jane, i think you also participated-maybe you remember better than me?
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Hi Jorn, I didn't find you.
http://www.birdforum.net/attachment....1&d=1190566838
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread....t=Cirl+Bunting
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread....t=Cirl+Bunting
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