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Help needed on these 2 moths (1 Viewer)

dunedin

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Help needed to ID these 2 moths both taken on rough grassland with plenty of Ragwort present. They could be the same but I'm not good enough to identify them, even after long search
 

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Thanks to you both, always have trouble with moths, haven't been able to get a decent book, so any recommendations appreciated.
 
i use the "Field guide to the moths of great britain and ireland" by "Waring, Townsend,& Lewington." highly recommended
 
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