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Old Friday 24th November 2017, 16:12   #76
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Nope. I am talking about the model that SOLD for 6 years; there's a difference.

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It was, though, on the market for more than two years?

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Bill: That’s about as much time as I will give it on the market.
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Old Saturday 25th November 2017, 20:01   #77
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It was, though, on the market for more than two years?
Hi, Patudo:

As George Bernard Shaw said: “England and America are two countries separated by the same Language”—Patton misquote notwithstanding. Hopefully not, but I get the impression you are trying to prove a point at my expense. That’s certainly well and good, if you can pull it off. But, while I came to this forum a dozen years ago, and have been disputed a number of times (thank you, Optics_Nut), through all my many posts you will not find one in which I intentionally lied or spouted something to hear my head rattle ... although it is a rather mellifluous sound. I’m afraid I will have to let my comment stand, as I am prone to do.

I was speaking of the time the Night Owl was a viable instrument IN PRODUCTION and being actively MARKETED, as verified by a national representative of ZEISS.

As I see it, the “market” you speak of is the one that took place after production stopped and Zeiss was trying to offload surplus inventory that didn’t sell as they had anticipated. To me that's a matter of SALES ADVERTISING rather than MARKETING.

As a Zeiss dealer at the time, I view those two “markets” differently.

But, if you must have the last word, be my guest; I don’t have a pony in the show.

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PS The Night Owl did have a cameo on the dash of Dr. Jonas Miller’s (Cary Elwes’) vehicle in the 1996 movie, Twister.
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Old Sunday 26th November 2017, 08:03   #78
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Can you guys cease being pedantic and a little petty about a subject now way of the thread heading please?
Thank you.

I'm fortunate to own the following Zeiss models which demonstrate how designs and materials move on. I'm confident the SF will not let me down.
7 x 42 T*P Classic Dialyt / 8 x32 FL (non Lotutec) / 8 x 42 black SF.

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Old Sunday 26th November 2017, 08:45   #79
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Can you guys cease being pedantic and a little petty about a subject now way of the thread heading please?
Thank you.

I'm fortunate to own the following Zeiss models which demonstrate how designs and materials move on. I'm confident the SF will not let me down.
7 x 42 T*P Classic Dialyt / 8 x32 FL (non Lotutec) / 8 x 42 black SF.

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A very nice group of binos Pat which would cover almost all situations. The only thing missing is a 10x but perhaps like me you consider those a bit specialist. I do have a 10x but only take it out to particular places. However you have got some big open spaces on the Wash and north coast in Norfolk where a bit more magnification might be handy from time to time.

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I am a fan of 10X binoculars, as I would rather see the small bits better that I would see a wider area.

So far I'm not too old to hold them pretty steady.

Not sure how much longer that will last, but for now all is well with 10X.
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I am a fan of 10X binoculars, as I would rather see the small bits better that I would see a wider area.

So far I'm not too old to hold them pretty steady.

Not sure how much longer that will last, but for now all is well with 10X.
Good for you. We use our binos most intensively on the islands off the west coast of Scotland there is almost always a stiff breeze blowing. For me it doesn't take much of an increase in wind speed for this to start interfering with my ability to hold a 10x steady. I had a Dialyt 10x40 for many years but in the end found 8x better in a wider variety of situations, not only because I could hold them steadier and they have a wider field of view but also because the depth of field is deeper so re-focusing isn't required as frequently.

I hope you enjoy your 10x binos for many years to come.

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Good for you. We use our binos most intensively on the islands off the west coast of Scotland there is almost always a stiff breeze blowing. For me it doesn't take much of an increase in wind speed for this to start interfering with my ability to hold a 10x steady. I had a Dialyt 10x40 for many years but in the end found 8x better in a wider variety of situations, not only because I could hold them steadier and they have a wider field of view but also because the depth of field is deeper so re-focusing isn't required as frequently.

I hope you enjoy your 10x binos for many years to come.

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Thank you, Lee.

I am peculiar in that I bird from my car, so I can take a pretty steady position using knees etc. to rest my elbows on. In an extreme case, or with my 16X70, I will run the window partway up and rest on its edge. If I pull down hard, it is very steady.

Wind is not one of my favorite things, for quite a number of reasons.

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Thank you, Lee.

I am peculiar in that I bird from my car, so I can take a pretty steady position using knees etc. to rest my elbows on. In an extreme case, or with my 16X70, I will run the window partway up and rest on its edge. If I pull down hard, it is very steady.

Wind is not one of my favorite things, for quite a number of reasons.

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Sounds like a great solution Richard. There are one or two places we know where we can do just that too, and sometimes it is the best answer on a windy and rainy day. There are car window clamps of various kinds you can attach spotting scopes or binos to and that act like tripod heads so you can have an even steadier image. I would imagine you would need a scope with a straight eyepiece rather than an angled one.

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Sounds like a great solution Richard. There are one or two places we know where we can do just that too, and sometimes it is the best answer on a windy and rainy day. There are car window clamps of various kinds you can attach spotting scopes or binos to and that act like tripod heads so you can have an even steadier image. I would imagine you would need a scope with a straight eyepiece rather than an angled one.

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Mine has an angled eyepiece, which is why I prefer the 16X70 in addition to the advantages of using two eyes.

If I can't see it or identify then, I just count it as a "generic bird".
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If I can't see it or identify then, I just count it as a "generic bird".
We sometimes see a lot of these, I think they are getting more common due to global warming

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Thanks Lee
I confess to also owning other brands including a Leitz Wetzlar ( black square logo rather than red circle ) 10 x 40 Trinovid which is a little crackerjack.
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I confess to also owning other brands including a Leitz Wetzlar ( black square logo rather than red circle ) 10 x 40 Trinovid which is a little crackerjack.
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They are lovely binos aren't they. Troubadoris still has a treasured 'black logo' Leitz Wetzlar (pre-Portugal) 8x40, now retired from field duties.

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Got to try a black body SF today for the first time, really nice, the focus is definitely improved over the grey examples I tried, have they tweaked the coatings ?, I could not perceive any greenish hue any longer, got to try them alongside a NV, huge difference in contrast with the NV leading the way, but looking at Herring Gulls on a roof with an overcast sky behind, I much preferred the lower contrast of the SF, the NV looking "blown out" on highlights to me.

Really really liked that SF, it could even tempt me to leave my SVFP at home, just need a bit more overtime !
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Got to try a black body SF today for the first time, really nice, the focus is definitely improved over the grey examples I tried, have they tweaked the coatings ?, I could not perceive any greenish hue any longer, got to try them alongside a NV, huge difference in contrast with the NV leading the way, but looking at Herring Gulls on a roof with an overcast sky behind, I much preferred the lower contrast of the SF, the NV looking "blown out" on highlights to me.

Really really liked that SF, it could even tempt me to leave my SVFP at home, just need a bit more overtime !
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Listening to some of the comments above, might I be forgiven for imagining certain bins; be they old or new, have been wired with audiophile grade copper cabling for improved performance??

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Listening to some of the comments above, might I be forgiven for imagining certain bins; be they old or new, have been wired with audiophile grade copper cabling for improved performance??

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As a Canadian, I would have to worry about metal eyecups freezing to my face and at the very least leaving twin raccoon-like circles of damaged skin around my eyes when they were taken away, therefore I would vote for composite cups over metal ones.
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As a Canadian, I would have to worry about metal eyecups freezing to my face and at the very least leaving twin raccoon-like circles of damaged skin around my eyes when they were taken away, therefore I would vote for composite cups over metal ones.

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As a Canadian, I would have to worry about metal eyecups freezing to my face and at the very least leaving twin raccoon-like circles of damaged skin around my eyes when they were taken away, therefore I would vote for composite cups over metal ones.
If you use 10x magnification binos this freezing effect will steady the image up nicely as it suppresses bino shake.

Unfortunately metal eyecups have a rubber coating so they don't scratch spectacles so you won't really benefit from the freezing effect.

However if you ever strip off the rubber coating and test out your freezing theory do get someone to take a pic and then post it on here

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