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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 08:56   #26
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Hello Jane

Thanks for your excellent information on this species. My problem is that my car is off the road all this week. I can get a train from Durham to New Brighton arriving 1030, and leaving 1540. Could I ask therefore
- Would Tuesday or Wednesday be a better bet
- What are my chances in this time frame
- How far is the seawatching point from the rail station
- How much shelter is there (without a car!)

Any help very gratefully received.
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Merseyrail goes from Liverpool Lime St to New Brighton. Not exactly sure where the station is... but its not a big walk!...its not a big town! Tues would be better!

There is a "famous" shelter on the promendae overlooking the marine lake and fort perch rock. It faces towards Seaforth and in a howling Westerly affords more than enough shelter.
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 09:29   #28
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Thanks Jane, I note that it will be Low Tide in the time I'll have, does this mean my chances will be low?
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No... there is always water in at New Brighton. If it is not windy walk out to the left of Fort Perch Rock and look out to sea... there will be Leach's messing about... its its blowing a gale.. which is looking likely... the Leach's will be right up the Mersey.

I can see Leach's now.. at low water... (tide is a mile away) but then again i am looking out of a house..
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 09:34   #30
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http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.sr...rch.srf&dn=627

The station is 3 mins walk... if that. The shelter is above the road that goes out onto the causeway to Fort Perch Rock
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 10:03   #31
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Thanks Jane, your help is very greatly appreciated.
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 10:05   #32
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and you are going to see Leach's Petrel tomorrow!

Loads of birds at sea today - 100+ Gannet, Manxies, loads of Kittiwakes - so fresh birds are in the bay. Tide is just too low for me to see Leach's now - they pass down the tide edge and are hidden by a sand bar!
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 12:34   #33
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IRISH SEA SHANNON
WEST OR SOUTHWEST 6 TO GALE 8. SHOWERS. MAINLY GOOD

24 hours from 11.30 today

Latest forecast... its W 6 here just now... I'd like a few degrees more North in the wind to be best for here.. if it drifts round to the SW then Lancashire will def be the place
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 15:34   #34
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Tickets booked, bags packed, lunch made, so here's hoping!
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Huge numbers of Seabirds in Lpool bay.. will add up later - back to the sea. Leach's is a promise tomorrow!

Must have seen 200 Shearwaters and 70 Skuas - actually not many Petrels - 45 ish
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 18:41   #36
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Steve,

I'm sure you'll enjoy tomorrow - I suspect you will do well for Leach's at least.

Keep an eye on the area around the green Bouy C21 and red bouy C20. The long staying Long-tailed Skua tends to keep on the water only flying up to pursue the odd tern (yesterday I was lucky enough to see it join an Arctic Skua briefly). Although at long range the size and structure are clear enough. I suspect that there is every chance of all four Skuas tomorrow - a rare event in our part of the world.

As well as petrels up the river watch out for them crossing the river mouth as some cut the corner. It looks like today's count will exceed 100 and with winds all night tomorrow may be better!

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PS - Jane - you don't fancy a house swap for a week do you - I can guarantee you House Sparrow & Greenfinch here?!

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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 18:46   #37
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Rob - come for tea anytime.

Todays list - seems petrels are staying in the Mersey mouth, but boy did I get passages of the better fliers today.

Arctic Skua 54, Great Skua 29, Fulmar 11, Gannet 355, Kittiwake 340, Leach's Petrel 46, Arctic Tern 12, Common Tern 4, Sandwich Tern 6, Razorbill 3 Red-throated Diver 1, Common Scoter 9, Guillemot 25, Manx Shearwater 195
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 19:00   #38
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Latest Shipping forecast 1725 - next 24 hours

IRISH SEA WEST 6 TO GALE 8. SHOWERS. MAINLY GOOD

So guaranteed Leach's Wirral and Lancs, smaller numbers N.Wales
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 19:15   #39
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Going back to Saturday re Plaxtonman's query although it wasn't really gusting I had a Leach's close in during a half hour watch with eldest daughter swinging from the Promenade railings!

Today the Sabs have finally turned up on the Fylde, had to work but thankfully still got one at lunch as well as a few Leach's. Wonderful.

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Jane,

Thanks - but have you any idea how frustrating it is sat in a suburban Manchester office watching the clouds flying past, seeing the reports rack up on BGs and knowing you can just sit in the window and see that little lot that wouldn't disgrace a British pelagic?!!

How about moving your neighbours on - we could double the size of the observatory garden !!
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The house was on the market... its twice the size of this and very grand.. 6 beds I think.. they wanted 600K...
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Old Monday 20th September 2004, 21:00   #42
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Hi steve,
Hope you have a great time tommorrow at New Brighton.
Its one of my birding dreams to be in on a large passage of Leach's
I remember driving from Norfolk to New Brighton overnight once due to strong westerlies when there was loads of Leach's passing offshore.
Woke up in the morning to find the wind had shifted overnight to a strong easterlie HA HA HA,as a result saw none.
Never mind i hope the winds stay strong enough till the weekend at least as i'm of to Barra for two weeks, Leach's must fall there, I hope!
Good luck tommorow.
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The house was on the market... its twice the size of this and very grand.. 6 beds I think.. they wanted 600K...
There is a possibility they may build houses on my patch. I could be very tempted but I doubt they would have a view over the sea wall unfortunately.

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600k? Let me see, nope, just not enough copper in the jar yet!!
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Old Tuesday 21st September 2004, 07:03   #45
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LUNDY FASTNET IRISH SEA SHANNON
NORTHWEST BACKING SOUTHWEST 5 TO 7, OCCASIONALLY GALE 8 AT FIRST IN
IRISH SEA. SHOWERS. GOOD

Blowing harder than yesterday here... WNW - the best direction for Wirral
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Plenty offshore this morning... looks like a three figure day. As yesterday I'd expect best numbers of the weaker flying species (Leach's LTS and Sabs) at New Brighton, while I'll get the stronger birds.. Gannets Manxies and Kittiwakes battling their way out of the bay at Hoylake.

I of course will get the Albatross one day
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I couldnt make it out yesterday but I will be out on the west coast of the Isle of man after work today.

I got my first Leach's there last monday after only 30 minutes so now I am hoping this wind will get me my first Long-tailed Skua. :)

edit.. In fact this wind is so strong here I am going to attempt to ask my boss for the afternoon off!! hahaha.. wish me luck :)

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I`m marooned in the office again today...(ho-hum!) but shall be out tomorrow afternoon!! Hooray - lets hope theres still a few around then!

Met forecast today is West 5-7 occasionally 8, tomorrow west - south west 5-7 so does that mean i`ll be best off on the north side of the estuary tomorrow rather than at New Brighton?

Also for the locals - where are these buoy 20/21`s thats mentioned as being where the Long-tailed Skua is loafing around?
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Unbelievably my boss gave me the afternoon off.
huray!

Grey Phalarope and Long-tailed Skua please :)) heh
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Jason They are in the mouth of the Mersey - seen from Crosby or New Brighton.... one is red and one is Green.

Its brill here today - had about 500 Kittiwakes, Leach's from the kitchen!!!! (which is at the back of the house) and three Sabines Gulls.

Looking good all the way through to the weekend
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